Welcome to another Monday; the winds of change are certainly billowing through the narrow streets of Britain and the corridors of the family justice system, and whilst we hope boats gets rocked a little in this storm, we very much hope nothing gets tipped over before the calm sets in.
Our question this week focuses on the Judiciary. As the system gets set to publish more judgments than ever before, we ask about the judges who sit inside the family justice system.
Our question is simple: do we have the right to know more about our judges, the way they think, their backgrounds, and even their voting records, to create a level of transparency inside the system which treats all professionals as equal, or should they remain impersonal, distant figures who are to be judged purely on the merit of their work?
Researching Reform 
Family Justice System. NEVER more should a Judge make a decision in a Family Court. JURY verdicts ONLY. The last three words if implemented would cause SS workers to vanish. They feel cozy in their own little Courts and with the same GANG who conspire to take children so as to promote their OWN lifestyles. Many children are taken by FALSE representations to COURT. Are the Magistrates so STUPID that they do not know the PLOYS of SS and the lawyers ?. JURY VERDICTS ONLY.
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Each of us come with our own baggage! Our experiences shape our views. ALL professionals including Judges should disclose more about themselves on a personal level and should disclose their track record of cases they have dealt with and the outcomes. After all you wouldn’t give birth in a hospital where the mortality rate was low! For example I would want to know if the professionals in my case was single/married had children or not as it would give insight to her/his experiences.
I am reminded of the American Judge who was renowned for his stance of taking a hard line on boys sending them for punishment to a juvenile detention centre. It turned out he had a vested interest as he made money for each child he sent there! That pattern would have emerged earlier if he had to disclose the outcomes of the boys.
Judges make decisions that affect families but they are never held accountable. One thing that is never known is how a Judges decisions has affected a child either in the short or long term. There are no statistics to say if those decisions made were good or bad. We only know that outcomes for kids in care are generally worse than the general population. Unless you have all the information you cannot see the patterns that could inform on future decisions.
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It would be very interesting to know just how many judges who sit in the family courts were the lawyers employed by the social services, I know of some, perhaps that is why family court judges send many children into hell. Many judges also having shares in the foster and adoption agencys, how despicable to own shares in companies that are shares for the stolen children of the families and of the grandparents sent to their graves never to see their seeds of love, it is beyound thinking that Judges are wealing and dealing in shares and stealing the children. When most people apply for a top job they have to declare all, as all judges are employed by the tax payers it is our rights to know the in’s and outs of their lifes, it would be fantastic to have a private investigation into every judge who are suppose to be above the law so the nation can have justice, and yet we know judges not all are more corrupt because money talks and the children abused in care are the silent witnesses, and of course many judges want the stolen kids to remain the silent witnesses other wise there will be no wealing and dealing in the foster and adoption agencys, if the world only knew of the corruption of the British children and the courts then the judges maybe named, cannot say shamed because any person buying shares into stolen children have no feelings.
MAGGIE TUTTLE
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What a great question, Natasha!!! Of course we should have the ‘right to know’. But that is based on a number of presumptions:
1. that we live in a democracy which we don’t as long as there is no ‘economic democracy’
2. that the ‘independence’ of the judiciary can be challenged such that Parliament could act as the highest court of the land – to give a mechanism for ‘who judges the judges’?
3. that Royal Charters are not systematically abused by judges and other white collar criminals to be immune from prosecution. See http://mauricejohnkirk.wordpress.com/the-deeper-issues/hm-partnership/royal-charters-the-ticket-to-immunity-from-prosecution/
4. given the reality of the internet and social media, it should be ‘normal’ for organisations such as BAILII and the MoJ to publish judgements
a) with an “abstract” and searchable keywords, categories or tags
b) searchable by judge!
I’d LOVE to see the patterns that connect judges and judgements! Especially in family courts!!!
Still, two mums didn’t get their hearing yesterday, so they couldn’t get imprisoned either. Strange kind of a victory!
http://punishmentwithoutcrime.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/belindas-battle-for-britains-children-today-at-courts-43-and-46-in-the-strand/
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Thank you for your post, Sabine. I think with more judgments being published, we will, unwittingly, get a much better picture of all of this…
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It is good to publish judgements and yes also good to gather a picture regarding the Judge.
The Judge making a Judgement based on the opinions of the organ grinder (social worker) and the team of ‘professionals’ who cling together often making their own assessments or statements by photo copying the organ grinders or other members assessments or statements of the exclusive team.
Rarely does any of them question the other and all of them usually team up to convince the Judge there would be no point in the parent having a expert. (as it could prove them all wrong). And of course there is the cost in legal aid for the parent and the court could not justify another expense as the experts for the LA have already spent millions of public taxpayers money proving their often shakey if not downright malicious and wrong allegations by numbers.
As they say 1 lie and 3 witness.
And what is the point of just a Judgement being published if the courts are not open to public scunity. Its the leading up to the making of the Judgement that is important.
All too often these Judgements have little to do with fact, truth or reality.
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It is good to publish judgements and yes also good to gather a picture regarding the Judge.
The Judge making a Judgement based on the opinions of the organ grinder (social worker) and the team of ‘professionals’ who cling together often making their own assessments or statements by photo copying the organ grinders or other members assessments or statements of the exclusive team.
Rarely does any of them question the other and all of them usually team up to convince the Judge there would be no point in the parent having a expert. (as it could prove them all wrong). And of course there is the cost in legal aid for the parent and the court could not justify another expense as the experts for the LA have already spent millions of public taxpayers money proving their often shakey if not downright malicious and wrong allegations by numbers.
As they say 1 lie and 3 witness.
And what is the point of just a Judgement being published if the courts are not open to public scunity. Its the leading up to the making of the Judgement that is important.
All too often these Judgements have little to do with fact, truth or reality.
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Allow parents to publish (removing childrens names) the entire proceedings including all assessments and statements. Then count how many times a social worker had been in contempt of court, perverted the course of justice and guilty of professional misconduct, failed in their duty of care (yes, it is even more frequent in the duty of care to service users and their children). Count how many times the LA have called in ‘experts’ to give opinions as there was NO evidence of any crime.
Then take the names of all Judges who failed to act on it and still removed children.
There would be no need for a jury, as the evidence will be there for all to see and it will force change.
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And off course remove all immunity to social workers and all public and civil servants so their crimes cannot go unpunished.
Last of all, remove the timescale and compensation cap on on parents seeking justice for having their lives and that of their children’s destroyed by these people
Why should Shoestring get £600,000 for being negligent in her job when the same people get away with criminal offences and destroy entire family lives where the families do not even get any justice.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/social-workers-face-jail-in-parental-access-row-1-3088046
I have seen this so many times before, social workers in contempt of court over contact but social workers always have a ready excuse and seek legal LA backup to get them off the hook, not to mention their unions.
Judges need to make a stand, if not they are mere puppets of the LA and incapable of being in a position of Judge, let alone upholding the law.
Who are we all protecting, the children or the social workers?
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_a_movement_like_facism_and_leaders_like_Mussolini_and_Hitler_come_to_power_during_a_period_of_crisis
Why do people ‘trust’ social workers? Because where there is crisis in ill health, poverty, relationship problems, homelessness, or suspected child abuse the people look to a leader to end the crisis. That leader is the govenments and its agencies and departments.
They employ the social workers who have over the years gained superior powers even above that of the courts.
Now the same people are wanting even more powers, the right to enter anyones home whenever they want and without the agreement of police or courts.
And why should people NOT be trusting them?
Because they work in secret, want ultimate powers and are heavily protected as their reward. They bring fear into the most innocent of housing estates and residing families and break the law to acheive their goals.
They expect and want nothing less than perfection as a child role model. Yet they do not qualifify as a good role model themselves.They will quite happily take a screaming child away from the loving arms of a mother and spend months working a story to justify their actions to the public and courts.
Fascism does not just happen, it builds its army first. This ‘regime’ is out of control.
These people are NO Mother Teresas.
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The Government has GIVEN the powers to social workers!
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Shoesmith joins the shoestring millionaires to become well heeled, a fellow of the strings so to speak.
I wonder if she will donate it all to children in need. Dont think so somehow.
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Didn’t I hear 2 social workers lower down the pecking order lost their jobs? No doubt they will appeal too if they haven’t already.
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And while Shoesmith joins the Shoestrings to become well heeled, a fellow of the Strings so to speak, I wonder whether she will donate it all to children in need or travel to 3rd world countries and help the starving children.
More like open a children’s home and rake in a bit more dosh. After all she has plenty of contacts in the buisness. And as she didnt like taking any of the blame for Baby P’s tragic life and death, she wont show any remorse for making money off the backs of stolen children from innocent parents who have paid the price for her negligence.
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https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/barlavington_report_child_abuse_2
This children’s home was in the WSCC area. Note the common theme were children were being denied contact with their birth families.
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Its very sad and depressing when reading about how things were and comparing them to present day and realising that they are both flawed and both leave a lot to be desired. In the social workers push to get a permanent placement all other factors are dismissed and negated. Their view of a child seeing their parents is considered disruptive but they forget the benefits to the child as the parents are often protective and notice abuse. Interesting to note the policies pendulum swung in the opposite direction than at present.
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Another common thread was when a child spoke out to social services about the cruelty and abuse they were suffering it fell on deaf ears. They had to wait until they were adults to give voice to their experiences.
I was surprised to learn that checks are not made on foster homes by Ofstead who make checks on care homes. So who is independently checking? No one! It’s all down to the LA or Agencies, who may not ‘see’ abuse as they have a vested interest in the child staying in foster care.
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Yes, they ALL have an interest in the child staying within the care system and it is NOT in the interests of the child. Children make money the same as illegal drugs. In fact it can be proven that many children in the care system are introduced to illegal drugs and sex from as early as 10 yrs old.
The birth parents will be blamed, even though these children were taken into care BEFORE their live styles could be affected by any birth parent.
And it is true but sad fact many of these children would have far fewer negative impacts on their lives than with their birth parents.and some (which could amount to thousands still) would have had NO serious negative impacts on their lives, where the children were wrongly removed for NO good reason.
And even more sinister is the fact that children in care who report abuse within the system are ignored.
Ofsted only see hand picked children, just as the homes for the elderly. Ofsted does not have a hope in hell or seeing abuse or hearing of it.
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:doaYXAhEQhIJ:www.academia.edu/4617395/Bethany_Homes_burden_of_death_and_state_neglect+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Yes, Question it.
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Yes, Question it. there are thousands of children TODAY suffering in state and or religious so called ‘CARE’. And many should not even be there, suffering worse abuse than they could EVER have suffered in their biological homes. AND for the rest by removing birth contact there is NO-ONE to report the abuse.
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In trying to get contact with her grandchildren in care and after numerous letters back and forth and the involvement of her MP who has been basically “dismissed” by the LA, I am now told a grandmother has just been advised she cannot make a formal complaint and go through the local authorities complaints procedures. That presumably means she cannot go to the Ombudsman as all LA procedures have not been exhausted.
The IRO, mentioned in the letter, agrees with the stance the LA has taken concerning what the LA have done to re-establish contact. Since contact has not been re established and, reading between the lines, won’t be for some distant time in the future as it appears that very little has been done and if anything has been done was not successful, giving rise to the grandmothers accusation that the LA are doing their job very poorly and stated she wanted an advocate for the elder child, who had made a comment, alleged by the LA but reason unknown, that she did not wish to see any of her family, to an ISW overseeing a SGO meeting in the foster home. The Grandmother requested an advocate for the grandchild but was denied as the LA consider it inappropiate. A younger grandchild has also been stopped contact with the entire family because it will upset the elder child!
Added to the fact that no information, despite promises that some would be sent, about the welfare of the children has been forthcoming and no photographs will be allowed unless the grandparents sign a cavaet not to put it up on social media. They have no intention of doing so but thought that was a form of blackmail by the LA all the same. The grandparents have never harmed their much loved grandchildren but have already been denied contact for 1 year 4 months!
This is the reality of what the social services do to suit their own agenda. Who knows what is truely happening? However both of those children are being abused by the LA as they are being denied contact with their real family. What does it do to a child who is given to believe their entire family does not want to see them: For why else would a child say that she no longer wanted to see her family and at age 10 would she really understand the implications and consequences of a comment that may have been born out of frustation that she couldn’t see her family, or coerced not to see them, we all know there are ways to say something to elicit the response required or even invented by the LA to break the family bonds!
You can take your pick as to why or if she made the comment, the problem is how the SS have seized upon what a 10 year old has said (alleged) and ran with it and show no strategy into re establishing contact with either child, allowing the situation to drift. They will not allow a formal complaint into the matter either. I wonder how many families this has happened to and how many are going through it right now!
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Typical story. children are psychologically removed once in care and made to feel that their entire birth family is not worth knowing. Some even go so far as telling them a parent has died. (Documented cases where the child has later given evidence)
Even if a court granted contact the LAs often refuse to work with it. And where the court orders that contact remains fluid it gives them the right to end contact anyway.
As in documented cases it often hides something sinister which sadly is all too common. Usually the child is not happy and even being abused in some form. (Even though the denial of contact is emotional abuse alone)
The LA will not allow a independant visitor as they dont want the child to complain or make it clear.of a wish for contact with the birth family.
Thats why so many children up up running away from care. They become confused, abused and depressed. Many hanging around the streets and getting into the wrong crowd. Easy targets for drugs, sex and paedos.
Forced adoptions are not the answer, not only is it a russian roulette for many it also brings lifetime emotional pain and loss to many. Often these children also grow up to realise that there was no major reason for the life the LA chose for them which in turn brings further emotioaal pain. The system fails thousands of these children. It just shows that the system does not care. And no-one cared enough to support their family during crisis to give them the stabilty they really needed.
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Everything you say is common practice. It does not matter what the Judge says in the court or even what he orders. It does not matter if the complaint went right through the independant panel and the Ombudsman. It does not matter if you get MPs and Westminster involved. The social workers and LAs can choose to ignor it all and deny contact because they already have all the powers to break the law and do what they want. One day the Judges will wake up and realise that they are not really Judges at all but criminals for they sit in a court and allow crime to be committed within it and dont do a dam thing which in turn also makes them guilty.
Social services work on divide and conquer. All the time they can keep the family apart and often that means siblings too, they feel in control of the outcome. It does not matter to them what is happening to the children or the family. It is their backs that concerns them and keeping it covered. The greater the mistake or malice by the social worker the more they will dig their heels in.
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But what laws are they (SS) breaking? What can a family do! It really is not surprising that people resort to social media to tell the world, as the people that should be listening, don’t! They are there to provide a service, less we forget and if they really did listen they might do their jobs better.
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In any court a false statement is contempt of the court, A false statement under oath is perverting the course of justice or perjury with jury. Any lay person can face criminal conviction. But social workers have immunities where they are more or less confident that any lie by them in a family court will be ignored. Many Judges will see it as said in good faith but of course that is not true in reality. In reality it means that any social workers with any wrong intent can use the get out clause and plead the said in good faith.
What can a family do, well nothing. The only answer is to open up the family courts to scrunity and remove any immunity from the social workers.
It would be the most profound and solid move in the area of child protection that has ever happened and also therefore in the best interests of children and the distraught but innocent families.
It would also get the decent social workers off the hook from having to lie to satisfy an LAs desire to be always proved right.
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Which moves the debate onto Public Interest. It can be (and usually is) in rules and regulations of bringing a case against an LA and its social workers as not in the public interest. The reason being that it has remained that the general public must have confidence in their LA and therefore it would not be in the public interest to bring a case against them. It could tarnish their image and bring down public confidence.
This in fact is total rubbish. Public confidence will be lost by a far greater degree if the public can see there is no protection for the public. So this makes a mockery of that rule.
And it certainly brings no protection for children.
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You say they are there to provide a service. But in reality the only service they are obliged to fulfil is that to their employer, the LA.
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I am reminded of the American Judge who was renowned for his stance of taking a hard line on boys sending them for punishment to a juvenile detention centre. It turned out he had a vested interest as he made money for each child he sent there! That pattern would have emerged earlier if he had to disclose the outcomes of the boys.
Dana Raymond and Natasha.
In Brighton and Hove courts there are some Judges. And the following is a true story and recent.
A friend had (and still has) a friend who was (and sadly still is) a prostitute. She serves some of the ‘best’ clients in the area. In the basement of her luxury home is a dungeon full of whips and manacles.
The men go down there and are handcuffed with their trousers off. She leaves them there and goes upstairs to make herself a cup of tea and do some housework.
After half an hour or so she goes back down, gets out the whips and whips them
They pay her and go on their way.
Would you now like to know who these men are.
They are Family court Judges and these are men removing children from distraught parents every day of the week.
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http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/10779561.Fired_social_worker_suspended_from_register/
I can just hear them all calling out when us investigating them unfolds. It aint me babe………..really
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http://www.bentlawyersandcops.com/a_rotten_judiciary.htm
Having a read through makes you feel sick in the stomach.
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