If the news today is anything to go by, it would appear that David Cameron is thinking about making it mandatory to report suspected child abuse. Institutions like hospitals, schools and children’s homes may be among those who will be required to report.
This is not a new idea. We have seen debate around the duty to disclose child abuse as recently as last year, but in the wake of the Westminster scandal and the ever growing stats on child abuse, it seems that this time, the Prime Minister may be able to push this move forward and make it law.
At the same time, MP for Rochdale, Simon Danczuk has today told the media he would like to see an amnesty for whistle blowers inside the social work industry who are considering reporting historic child abuse and offering any information they may have about cover ups by their employers, as the government’s inquiry gets under way.
We are not sure if the PM’s plan to impose a duty on reporting child abuse is the answer. Pressure to report unusual behaviour may lead to hasty judgment calls which could lead to mistakes. It’s also hard to know whether legal repercussions from failing to report any suspected abuse will actually ensure that more people come forward. We’re just not sure that’s how this rather complex dynamic works.
So, what do you think? Will mandatory reporting of child abuse help protect children or will it just drive abuse underground?
Out thanks go to John Malloch-Caldwell for alerting us to the Prime Minister’s address today.
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Already we now have two issues.
One that Peter Wanless was known to Savile and their silence on Savile and others when its been shown time and again that reports were made but like it happened with Brittan, they just seemed to evaporate.
And now we have Butler-Sloss who is known amongst the fighting community of child protection as fairly idiotic and dangerous as Hodge, Cherie Booth, Hughes and others and Sloss seems to suffer from a serious case of rose tinted brain, one is hoping that Fathers 4 Justice will remember the problems they had with Sloss which ended up chucking her into a London canal.
I believe we are seeing two gatekeepers in action, if we were to believe and listen to some of the worst criticisms of the NSPCC, that indeed it may be part and parcel of the problem, certainly girls from one of the childrens home said they called childline more than once and stated clearly to them as to the police that social workers were driving them to the addresses where large groups of men waited to assault them.
I think Wanless is there not for the children or the law or public interest but to do damage limitation to prevent the charity which has very powerful connections from suffering a public image collapse.
Butler-Sloss on the other hand, I think is there most certainly for the establishment, are we to believe that if she came across evidence that her brother a once very powerful freemason himself, had thrown the case in any way she would report this?
I think the choosing of her is very detailed and very deliberate, that being a woman would allay some fears of the public, that people are not aware of some of her more lunatic judgements in the past and certainly how she was seen as the social workers friend always as her judgement history led to more appeals to the Lords as she threw case after case to the state.
The question we have to ask here is what happened after Brittan? Logically the whole lot would have been thrown to Havers but it is THERE that the trail goes cold and that alarms me.
And what will happen now is a carefully co-ordinated exercise will take place, the dead and out of favour will find guilt at their doorstep, the living will be exhonerated and no justice will be done and because of this, there is likely not going to be another inquiry again because governments will say “but we did this” and thousands of children will be denied justice and the out of control system will continue to farm them out to childrens homes for the elite pleasures.
As a finishing thought, someone I know in the print I was talking about with this threw in a very ugly spanner too, that like the US, the UK secret services may be very aware of who and what and use that information to ensure compliance, if you think about the disgusting tale of Boys Town, a catholic childrens home in the US, subverted deliberately to be used as a lure for politicians and businessmen, Yorkshire TV produced a highly damning documentary which has never been seen outside of Youtube and I would suggest people should view that and wonder, is that going on here?
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When on the streets of London interviewing the homeless in the early hours these poor people came to trust me and gave me so much information and regarding childline this was a way in for the paedophiles, they also pointed me to a house that the paedos go to where kids from care are taken late at night and drugged and abused all night long by them from ???? and these homeless people told me of the house but to afraid to walk with me to the house, I have always said the truth is with the people at ground level.
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That’s a really important point, Maggie. These individuals find their way into schools and charities it seems.
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Another brilliant idea. Why didn’t someone think of it before?
How much ‘suspicion’ does someone need before they mandatory duty kicks in? A bit? A bit more than a bit? Quite a lot?
Are people in the affected areas going to be trained to spot things that might give rise to whatever standard of ‘suspicion’ is required before they have the duty to report? Where is the money for all the extra training to come from?
What’s going to happen here? Let me guess. Anyone under a ‘mandatory duty’ is going to play it safe every time, and report. Better safe than sorry, eh? Who wants to end up defending their job, their career, or their good character if they don’t report, even if the level of suspicion is minimal? More reports, more investigations. Let’s hope there is more money available to fund all these additional investigations, too. There will certainly be more trauma for innocent children and their families, for sure, fundamentally meaning more people suffering injustice.
We can all see which way the wind is blowing. We had the debate a few weeks ago (which will go on) in relation to ’emotional’ child abuse; failing to show a child enough ‘love’ etc. I have already commented that if this piece of nonsense finds its way onto the statute book I will be making a formal complaint to my local nick about every parent who sends their child to boarding school, or fails to buy them a second pony. Now this. The writing is on the wall. This is a government that want more children in care and more families ripped apart. And as your children are being pulled out of your arms because you decided to deny them a trip to McDonald’s last weekend, please don’t look to the State to provide any legal aid to help you defend yourself; that ship left port a long time ago. You can cry and blubber all you want; you’ll get no legal representation. And, of course, to ‘protect the children’, all these hearing absolutely MUST be held in secret. But don’t worry. We really aren’t heading down the road to 1984; it’s all in your mind.
I loathe and detest child abuse. It is the most hideous crime on the planet. But what is happening now is sinister and if we don’t wake up, we will find ourselves in a system we could only imagine in our darkest, wildest imaginations. We are already a long way down the road. Politicians, who we know lose and shred files relating to allegations of serious, institutional child abuse, including by those sitting in the Houses of Parliament (just read the most recent blog post by ex-MP Jerry Hayes or Edwina Currie’s autobiography) are now trying to suggest they are to be trusted with the care of our children, and know what to do to protect their best interests. These ‘initiatives’ do not even have the merit of being well-intentioned. They are (like the appointment of an octogenarian member of the House of Lords whose brother was a law officer in Thatcher’s administration) crass, ill-conceived and downright dangerous.
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Thanks Mark. We seem to have forgotten that a change of culture requires a very large change in approach and focus. New laws very seldom make the difference between saving lives and losing them. All that happens on the ground long before the law kicks in. So we shall have to see what the government plan to do at grass roots level, if anything.
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If mothers report fathers for sexual abuse of their own children they usually lose all contact with their children who are then given to the fathers;
Now we hear they will be jailed for not reporting it !
They lose either way…………………..;;
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Mr ForcedAdoption, I wanted to pick your brains on two establishments if you knew of anything about them, one being the KCC Home for Delinquent Children in Herne Bay, the other the long closed down Canterbury Assessment Centre for teenage children.
Hope you don’t mind me going off topic there a second.
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Over many years I have received reports from children and young people that when they have tried to disclose/ report that they have been abused to schoolteachers, doctors, police, Court Reporters, child protection workers and even judges in custody and contact issues, they have been met by statements including “Ï don’t want to know” and “You are lying, all children lie about abuse” (research has shown that 96% are truthful). In many cases, a ‘hear no evil’ attitude seems to prevail.
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Yes, we have a culture of that here. And we tend to demonise those who speak out. I haven’t read the news items relating to the Vanessa Feltz incident, but I gather she mentioned an incident with her and Rolf Harris I think (?) and was torn to shreds on Twitter. I will have to read this news item shortly but if that was the case, we are going to need to do more than change the law. We need to change the culture too.
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There you have it in a nutshell, when those teenage girls did report it, no one did anything, workers, childline, the police, schools, even doctors were confided too so how on earth did this not get found out sooner unless we logically accept that what the girls were saying about the social workers is true and that ensured that any referral or report to them was met with “the child is a compulsive liar, take no notice” and yes that does happen a lot when children with no reason nor logic are just written off as malicious liars or coached by parent.
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Of course teenage girls are not suitable for adoption so they would be of no interest to child protection workers.
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AG, There appears to be more than one link between politicians and the Pope!
As regards, new duty to report child abuse, it goes without saying that those with morals would already report abuse so who is this new law for? Is it for those that ignore, cover up and by stint of smoking mirrors, deflect attention away from the abuse?
I would have thought that their duty of care in these institutions would have sufficed but its not new laws that is needed but the existing ones enforced. Teachers, social workers, etc are paid to do a job that involves the protection of children, if they don’t do that job then they need to be held responsible and not be exempt from criminal charges for failing to execute that duty.
As regards the abuse of children perpetrated by those tasked with their protection, criminal charges should be brought against those abusers under existing laws too.
Cameron is tap dancing after his initial rejection of an inquiry so will say anything in the run up to the elections! Ask him how many prosecutions over the past 4 decades have been against those professionals who are also abusers.
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I’m inclined to consider politicians’ motives on issues like these as a matter of course, D. These topics rarely get a serious look-in on any government’s agenda. I hope that the election carrot spurs him on to ramp it up and really look into what needs to be done. And then do it.
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Amending/new laws, one would think, is directed at improvements for the public’s safety. This has been shown with the woefully inadequate sentencing guidelines that were in place until recently for sexual offending offences.
As Natasha points out, a shift in culture is required also and any new law has to have consultation. The strange British psyche is deeply embedded in hidden agendas. I cannot see MR as any way forward at all.
However, mandatory reporting needs careful consideration. How sure are we really of abuse in children? It’s not always evident to the naked human eye. Natasha’s question was “Will it protect children?” Here was me thinking it was a parent’s responsibility to protect a child/children. Are parents to feel relieved the state is stepping up to its responsibility to protect children? Opinion in my circles of mandatory reporting is one of horror. Spiked Online ran an article on 25/06 stating a named individual would be assigned to every child born in Scotland – the article ran this individual would have the powers to override the parents. I find this terrifying if not sinister.
As Mark states above, (waves to Mark) child abuse is the most despicable crime on the planet.
Mandatory reporting is not going to protect children. This is not about protecting children in any disguise. It is blatant propaganda. It is placing huge burdens on public sector workers. I had excellent teachers back in the 70s who supported me and were very aware of what was going in my home with my mother. They were my lifeline. Social services were also. I was protected very much and it is those people I still remember today, not the chaotic and violent childhood I had. The input of those people kept me going and ultimately helped me to come to terms with my childhood. It was unexplainable. Dana points out that any person faced with a child who was clearly being abused would report it. I would. But I would make sure I was sure of my territory first and there’s the line that is so undefined with mandatory reporting. I do not need mandatory reporting to inform me of the values I place on a child’s safety and protection. I am private sector. The onus on the public sector only with mandatory reporting is ridiculous and badly thought out. How will they word this one in employment contracts? How will HR departments handle staff who are conflicted over “if”?
I am fearful this is another route to widen the CJS.
It is opening Pandora’s Box for sure and we all know what happened there.
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You state that ANY PERSON FACED WITH A CHILD WHO WAS CLEARLY BEING ABUSED WOULD REPORT IT.
This is rather wishful thinking. If this statement were true, almost 100% of child abuse would be reported.
People act for psychological reasons. They either have a reason to report, or a reason not to report.
In nearly all of these revelation cases, there were people (in many cases lots of people) who knew at the time of the abuses. Nobody stood up and forced the issue.
It screams that career and easy life come before exposing botched care. It has not been ‘in the child’s best interests’.
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It might be wishful thinking, I have no issue in “wishing” that child abuse is stamped out. I also stated I, (that’s me, not generic) would ensure I was sure of my territory.
How can, if any person would report child abuse, eradicate child abuse 100%? That’s impossible. If one person reports one case of child abuse and the due process follows in one case and that child is removed to safety and never abused again, that is 100% of that child’s abuse eradicated. To my mind, it is not about eradicating child abuse 100% as a collective unit, it is about ensuring that each child is free of abuse, 100%
Your third and last paragraph, I agree with.
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Hi Tom. Please read what I wrote again and don’t leave out the bit about morals and the following sentence! I cannot believe a right thinking person would not report blatant abuse of a child. Please don’t shatter my beliefs that it would be ignored! I hope people would do the decent thing but as I don’t think child professionals have many morals they are more likely to cover up abuses that happen within the system! They will often lie to cover up their own failings!
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It would be obvious to most that a child losing weight rapidly or going to school with bruises AND a forlorn expression is worthy of attention. Yet time and time again these blatent signs are overlooked by professionals! I don’t think much training is needed to spot the obvious but a child covered in bruises and a grinning face might just have had a great weekend who just happened to have a tumble! That’s what they need to be able to differentiate! Frankly they seem incapable!
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Hi D, yes, and I think the trouble there lies in the fact that a lot of people just don’t understand how to read children. And that’s the worrying part, as that’s the most important aspect of child welfare.
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Its not just that with teachers but they since having been put under the whip of social services, continual sapping of their resources, over work, they may not have the time to even catch a look and a lot of teachers are very aware that even the most gentle of reports to social workers usually ends up with a bludgeoning response from the SSD.
My brother, uncle, others in my family are teachers and they would rather talk with the police than the social worker, then once hooked into the register committees, it gets really nasty as my brother would attest, comply or lose your job is the message there and my brother was literally told how to vote behind the scenes at a registration committee by a very smarmy social worker, he voted against registration but social services sensed this and brought in the NSPCC to achieve quorate and the slippery slope to hell of registration had begun.
Now I found something out that the NSPCC are only allowed into these meetings if ALL persons agree which includes the parents and if one person does not, they are not allowed to participate, in 2002, I asked the committee why a charity, a worker with no professional qualifications, was allowed to sit in and not only hear of court privilege but also the intimate details of my family life and I was told by the county solicitor basically “because” but I had done my research and stated that I did not agree with her presence and would ask that she leave, that I had no intention of complying with the committee from that point onwards and my solicitor would be advising the Judge that court privilege was being shown contempt and the look of pure poison when she did leave.
Just remember folks, foster parents are illegally shared your court and file details with, as are the NSPCC and maybe there at least if enough people stated to the Judge of this breach of law and quite a serious breach too, it might put an end to it.
Oh and do ask the chairman why the county solicitor is allowed to speak and vote but your solicitor as advocate is not, you might be surprised to know that the legal status of that county solicitor is that he is there not for social services but for the whole of the committee and that he must under his legal obligation give the parents the very best advice he can regardless of his position, he is a devil’s advocate and failure to do this could lead to him being barred, do remind them too of that.
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Hi Dana,
me being a bit sensitive !! – a man with anima Sophia…!
I had read your part correctly, and you had qualified it.
When it was later reiterated (free of qualifications) it was effectively saying that all people who knew of child abuse would report it
(not all MORAL people, but just people).
There lies the central problem. If all people were moral, we wouldn’t have child abuse and child abuse would not go unreported.
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I have experienced 4 years of social workers desperately covering up the abuses – including sexual abuses – of my own children.
How did this situation arise ?
They got it all wrong in 2010, and all subsequent reporting NEEDED to not expose them as having been grossly negligent. So the abuses go on and on and on …to close ranks and save their jobs and possible prosecutions.
All with evidence.
This case at first, I thought was unusual. However, because I have stood up publicly against the system, lots of people have contacted me with similar stories.
So, who polices social workers ? The local authority has a detailed extensive complaint which they simply refuse to answer. LGO refuses to help because it says the family court are involved.
Here is a perfect example of how children get abused and the system goes to desperate measures to protect itself. They have spent around £1 million of tax payers money trying to bury this one case alone. The have bankrupted me of £1.3million in trying to rescue my children.
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In the 16 years odd of relentless persecution by two SSD’s I can feel what you are saying there Tom as that happened myself.
My daughter was forced to go to contact and she would come back injured or I would have to go to hospital to discharge her because of injuries, one such was where her mother decided to have a fight and this bloke decided to punch her back and knocked my toddling daughter unconcscious as she tried to scrabbled out of the way.
This of course did not matter to the SS, contact had to be made and then my daughter started complaining of soreness around her bits upon a return and I stood up in court to defy SS’s demands of contacts based on I wanted a police investigation and interview, not SS one, that I was now convinced she was being physically and sexually abused.
Social services won the day, they forced the Judge to order me to comply or I would go to prison for contempt and so the contacts continued.
Two years later in another SSD area as we finally had fled the initial area with the assistance of a social worker change who she was very sympathetic, my daughter made a very disturbing series of highly details episodes of abuse.
Despite making a clear and highly acceptable statement on video and police wished to prosecute, the original SSD threw the case by making it uninvestigateable simply by sharing with the mother all of the case details and the police were shocked beyond anything else that someone at social services could sabotage a highly sensitive criminal case like this, my solicitor at the time said there was little hope and the police abandoned the case.
On top of this, one of the previous workers herself escaped arrest by simply resigning, my daughters mother upon seeing three tiny pimples of nappy rash (all of this is on record so I lie not) claimed it was a cigarette burn, the social worker at that time instead of acting appropriately, at the contact centre in the public hall in view of about 20 other parents having contact there and to the horror of the family centre staff, the social worker examined my daughter and she also examined her anally and colposcopically by inserting her fingers into both and one family centre worker braver than the others literally pulled her off my child and immediately went to ring the director to report what had happened, the social worker unfazed one bit, went to her local manager, gained an EPO application and brought daughter to my home where she told me that failure to comply with her terms would mean removal, my daughter was then taken to a paediatric centre where the doctor was ordered to give a full examination (can you see where this was leading) on suspicion of sexual abuse, the doctor was shouting at the social worker and apparently after we left called the police and her boss as she was as she said basically forced to abuse my child and all over 3, yes 3 tiny spots of nappy rash due to it being a very hot day.
With the help of the doctor we tried to bring a quick case but by the days end, the social worker had resigned and is now advising people in private practice I believe, seriously, you just could NOT make it up with them lot and so my daughter has been failed time and time again by these so called agents of the state, I hate them, the bloody lot of ’em, I don’t like tarring with a brush but out of 13 social workers only 2 have ever shown to be of any use, the rest were either completely inept, or completely sinister and if someone told me any one of them had died a violent and highly painful death I would not shed a tear, it is only that I am a law abiding citizen that I never took the matter into my own hands but it has been close, oh so damned close but I also know that as soon as you lay hands on one, you have lost utterly and they will win time and time again.
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Tom has rightly asked, “Who polices the social workers?” These people, inexperienced or jaded or just plain lacking any commonsense make decisions that are accepted in court by Judges who collude with the social workers and Cafcass! In fact from my own experience they are all in cahoots with each other. The IRO is supposed to be independant but when do they disagree with anything? They cover each others backs when taking a child away from its home!
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Remember it wasn’t so long ago that the Birmingham director was asked if children were safe in his care that night and his glib answer “probably not” was unacceptable.
This has always been a bone of contention with me, that if a SSD’s ability has degraded so badly, so poorly that any casework, any legal case it applies cannot be safe and yet a bit of investigation showed quite clearly that removals, forced adoptions etc did not halt or even abate so how many Midlands children have been wrongly dealt with in that one small instance alone?
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Yes, and why do social workers “investigate” abuse which is a crime?
Who appointed them as police? They have little or no training – only in policy .
How can social workers go into a civil family law court and say they know a parent has committed a crime of abuse. Why is this crime not dealt with in criminal court?
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No one polices the social workers.
Same all over the world.
They have replaced the old do gooder church priests and nuns and have the same God complex and sadistic traits.
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The NSPCC have a lot to answer a little boy went to school one day and in fear aged 10 told the school he was being abused in came the social worker then the army all “In a child’s best interest” what many people are not aware of is that the NSPCC are also paid untold money from the social services to assess the whole family and friends this can go on for a year, but then the NSPCC work hand in glove with all government depts big money, I have the evidence that the NSPCC knowing full well this child in fear the NSPCC stood in the court and DEMANDED that this child be sent home NOW and we mean NOW although there was a report from the Pshycitrist to say mention to the child the mother and stepfather this child shakes cries and goes into uncontrolable fear and still the NSPCC wanted the child sent home that day, but then the child was forced to have weekly psyciatric treatment which went on for years as the judge said he will have treatment AT A GREAT EXPENCE untill he says yes I will have contact with the people he reported abusing him, all of these bloody do gooders what do they know of children they learn in a collage with half of the do gooders having their own mentle problems ALL CHILDREN ARE THE SILENT WITNESSES AND HERE LIES THE TRUTH, As for the NSPCC my god I will go after the idiots who get paid fortunes for what to sit and tell lies call kids liers and want to send them back to be abused, the whole system is rotten wish i could take every kid to another planet.
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Yes, with my youngest daughter she was forced to undertake CAMHS counselling because the social worker “knew better” but in fact was a fishing trip that ended up with a quite prominent Dorset child psychiatrist writing to the judge stating that yes my daughter was indeed depressed but was depressed primarily because she was taken out of school once a week, asked lots of questions by a social worker, some of them extremely leading and suggestive which the judge showed anger about when given a sample and he ordered that all CAMHS “counselling” be ended.
Time and again at committees etc, social workers claimed a need of mental assistance to my child and grew very frustrated when I asked upon what medical evidence they made this statement, I would also ask me to furnish my solicitor with their medical qualification, registration criteria that would allow them to make such a prognosis and to make a binding prognosis without a medical qualification in this country is still a crime, social workers are not mentally, medically trained and have no powers of diagnosis nor prognosis and any report containing such “professional” statements are illegal as only a proscribed Doctor can make such assessments.
What was also coming out at that time is my child wished to address the judge, she tried to in vain from the age of 12 til she was 17 and every attempt was blocked by social services who were terrified that my daughter was going to directly tell the Judge of the two highly abusive “wishes and feelings” sessions she was given at age 15 where she was locked in a room at her school, prevented physically from leaving on the two occasions and physically in that when she tried to get around the social worker she was laid upon by the SW’s hands and forcedly pushed back into her seat, was denied a responsible adult to be present with her despite her organising her year head to do so and was subjected to on both occasions over an hour and a half of gruelling questioning and interrogation techniques used by the police in regards to such cases as murder, she was not allowed a drink of water, she was not allowed to go to the toilet and on the second occasion she wet herself and she said that the court “expert” kept touching her inappropriately by placing his hand on her inner thigh above her knee and run his hand down from her shoulder along her chest and would not stop doing that when she asked him not to touch her at all.
But then he was protected, he was a so called “independent” court expert we were assured in court, only AFTER the court do we find out he was on the same small Freemason committee at his lodge with several of the other “players” or their husbands in the council, total cover up and it was suggested this psychologist has been of questionable behaviour before in demanding that female “patients” in his “rooms” strip themselves naked to show him how they undress to detect “sexualism” in the home.
He wrote a very long paper about why he thinks adoption is the only way forward for any child and that children should be counted lucky to be “chosen”, he also led an attack on families receiving legal aid when a review came up, none of this of course was revealed to us the party. He is also Tavistock material, full common purpose as well as dedicated freemason and a totally nasty man.
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“untill he says yes I will have contact with the people he reported abusing him”
Oh well I know this pattern well. In Ireland its ECT that is proposed to burn out all memories of abuse so the child will not resist going to contact with abuser.
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The Judge on my case admitted and put in the Judgement that my eldest grandchild’s wishes and feelings were not taken into consideration! He knew that if she was given the choice she would have wanted to live with the grandparents! He went on to approve and agree to adoption for the youngest and she would remain in long term foster care without her brother! This was not in either child’s best interests, it was purely for convenience! What kind of man bases his decision on what suits the local authority who did not have an adopter who wanted two kids so one would do and to hell with the wellbeing of the eldest! The adoption fell through adding greater trauma to both children. I make no bones about the fact I have cursed that evil man never to enjoy his grandchildren and if there is a God he will get his comeuppance for his acts of inhumanity under the guise of child protection. He is not fit to be a Judge!
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“I make no bones about the fact I have cursed that evil man never to enjoy his grandchildren and if there is a God he will get his comeuppance for his acts of inhumanity under the guise of child protection. ”
Dana, I also know a mother who cursed a judge for allowing an adoption when there was no ICO to begin with. The said judge lost his own son shortly there after.
Mind you the lower judged referred to the mother as a witch because they could not break her and she was deemed to have the strength of 10,000 men. Hence the witch label. This judge has also labelled other strong mothers witches. I know this is 2014, but it still exists.
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Nearly every family member I speak with tell me their child/ren or grandchild who are in care are living in fear and from the amount of homeless people I have spoken to who were in care most said the same again “we were told what to say only” and if we spoke of any abuse we were abused more by the foster or social workers.
Many social workers own families are fostering or adoptioning of children recently a mother told me her social workers brother had put in for adopting the 2 little children, I asked was he married the mother said no. Social workers arriving to work in the UK as S/W they then groom their families friends to come over and foster kids wow £500 plus a week per kid all tax free where in the EU can any one earn £500 a week or more if people only knew the fiddle going on with the social workers from parts of the EU but then it has been going on for so long the Governments turn a blind eye and continue to pay all social workers from the EU India Africa thousands of pounds for re-alication then support with housing and bank accounts and as many people are aware any one can buy for a few pounds a fake paper to say they are qualifyed in what ever THE WHAT EVER is to steal the kids get jobs for friends and family and wow more social workersa needed now because the elderly are being committed to the care homes and if the old dears own their own homes well its goodbye and as for the jewlery or antiques well they are all sold by the the social workers. I am fed up telling Governments a full investergation is needed into the social workers and sevices but it will never happen in a million years.
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Totally true Maggie.
Another scam- legal of course is for the foster carers to separate and then get 2 houses with help for the system.
You should see it here, massive houses in gated communities and all from fostering other peoples children.
If a child reports to Childline, well it just a gate keeper agency- as the corporate child is simply sent right back to the abusive foster carers because Childline sent a note to the child’s social worker.
Now this gate keeping pattern exists all over this business.
Some social workers leave and go into fostering for a few years as its more lucrative, then exit back to South Africa etc.
Also not allowing children to say “I love you” to their creators/parents is typical Hitler mindset.
Children in state custody are treated worse than criminals in jail.
Another worrying pattern is some social workers fabricating that parents hit them during contact, when not true. All these contact sessions need to be fully recorded as some parents are doing now.
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Judges, social workers and anyone else involved with child protection should have to declare any interest. If they have shares in agencies or if they foster or adopt this should not be allowed as it is a conflict of interest.
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Would we feel that way if these services ran in an ethical fashion, and delivered great results? It’s such a sad indictment of our times that we can no longer trust the people who are supposed to be protecting us.
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The psychopaths are now in control. There is no empathy nor compassion for their victim, and they have no remorse for the horrendous suffering they are causing. Each will of course blame their victims, or each other, or the system in seeking to salve their individual consciences, but the spectre of Lady MacBeth looks over their shoulders and no amount of scrubbing will ever cleanse their hands.
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But this is darker territory we are moving into on this subject, if we cannot get justice for our children, if the state organs become part of the problem, the system of abuse itself than how do we find justice?
At least in the US, there is financial penalty but since arch Dorsetman Lord Philips killed off even the right to be treated by the law as a parent, it was the last case of the worthy Allan Levy who kept on at the establishment even though he was dying.
Parents are being herded further and further into the corner and sooner or later someone is going to not bleat like a sheep and fight back because there simply is no other option, they have nothing to lose but everything to gain even if its a public revelation of just how sick the system is.
I am a firm adherent to the law but I do know of people who have had it with the system, the law, the pointless hours of telling them they lost their kids and trying to dress it up as normal, as necessary and acceptable.
And that is a can of worms I wouldn’t dare to open because by and large people are just fed up with the people at the top getting away with murder and the worst crimes and we commit no crimes yet are pulled through the mill, breaking our mind and souls.
Everyday I have to battle to stay alive, to not just end it, many times a day I have to fight that urge to just pass softly into the night, I am so bereft, so much in grief and no doctor can even begin to touch my ruptured soul, its a pain that judges never feel or hear about, a pain that social workers think we just make up, where are our champions? Where are the people that we should expect to fight for us? I’ve got 17 odd years of horrendous abuse by social services but no one is interested and automatically reach for the book marked “No smoke without fire”.
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Hi Natasha, The problem is these places cannot be run ethically simply because ethics and money are opposing principals. People get greedy, the more money they make the more they want! It isn’t just the money made but the fact that abusers are to be found where there are children. Its not a coincidence, the abusers seek out jobs that will bring them into close contact with children, no pun intended. The Daily Mail has just told of 50 odd arrests from a large pool of alleged abusers, some social workers and fosterers! The social workers should weigh up the harm to a child left in their own home where they know or should get to know the family, against the unknown risks with strangers! Those that are paid to protect them but instead take advantage and abuse them!
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Profit margins at all costs…
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I don’t know if Natasha can find the news details on such a case as this was early 2000’s but it came across to us at UIJ where two Bolton gay social workers swung the system so they could adopt a pair of toddling young girls and the systemic and ritual abuse these two children suffered, they were locked into a wardrobe with a bottle of water when the two social workers went to work and were so it was revealed used in the two womens sexual congress with each other and neighbours has contacted social services and the police time and time again due to the wailing, screams and violent abuse that could be heard some houses away.
In the end a police officer took action and forced entry and removed the children to the care of a neighbour making a place of safety statement to stop social services removing the children whilst a doctor was called and he called in his chief constable I believe as these two children were on the point of near death through maltreatment and abuse, they were found locked inside said wardrobe with a small potty and a bottle of tepid water.
Bolton spent a lot of effort covering it up and nearly succeeded if it were not for one of the neighbours of the two women who fought hard to get it into the local papers, in the end both social workers were given short deregsitration and community sentences and were soon back “on the job” working with children.
It was around that time a Stockport man came to us with a disturbing tale, where he refused to agree to adoption, so the social worker simply forged his signature, the first he knew about it was when he was served with the court order that he allegedly had assented too, he never saw his children again and Greater Manchester Police abjectly refused to take the case despite the prima facie evidence including a handwriting specialist who could prove it was a forged signature.
Lisa Artorworry, back working with children, Haringey spent an enormous effort in covering up her team manager’s own child dilemmas as the team manager was under investigation for child neglect and cruelty by her own employer and under a supervision order at home, eye witness accounts of this woman dancing naked in her front garden in front of people and acting very very strangely, all swept under the carpet, even Lord Laming tried to do that but we and other groups persisted in getting this added to his report but it was like pushing water uphill as he obviously had been told to “play down” the team managers abnormal behaviour.
Three examples, one less known than the other which of course was poor Victoria Climbie and do you know what, Haringey is today still another child death waiting to happen because they promise change, they deliver nothing, if a parent treated a child with such regard they would go to prison but when a social worker does it, its a get out of jail free card.
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Hi AG, thanks for your comment. I can’t search right now but promise to next week. Just a little occupied at the moment.
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Dana, your point is hitting the nail on the head, in my grandson’s case, virtually every one opposing me, or supporting the other side were connected through Freemasonry and they should have declared this, especially the court appointed expert.
Its not with a light word that I say this either, this particular bunch of Freemasons has been investigated twice now over corruption and fraud by the BBC and despite some terribly damning evidence not a thing has ever been done.
One bit of good news though, it transpires that the Director of Childrens Services and the deputy who took on the role for about four weeks and then like the first, mysteriously resigned, it was about the same time I revealed to them that I had taken possession of secret emails between director and team manager to “purify” the case and if need be let the principle social worker take the flak and “let her resign”, I only got the news yesterday but still doesn’t get me my contact nor does it get the people’s collars felt either Grrrr
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