This site has learned that law firms and councils are unlawfully coercing parents into signing informal agreements which forbid families from recording child protection meetings.
Clauses in an agreement asking a parent not to record conversations or exchanges with child welfare professionals are illegal, and are sometimes referred to in family proceedings as unlawful undertakings. Domestic undertakings set out in agreements are very rarely enforceable, and parents are not under any obligation to sign them. If you have signed an agreement prepared by a local authority or lawyer asking you to set aside your legal right to record communications in child welfare proceedings, you can withdraw your consent at any time.
This site has seen a copy of an agreement drawn up by a council which clearly states that the parent named in the document may not record any phone calls or meetings within their home or the local authority’s offices. Sources have also confirmed that lawyers and social workers are telling parents that they are legally obliged to sign these agreements.
Researching Reform has spoken with several parents who have all been asked to sign agreements containing an undertaking that they will not record child protection meetings or any communications between them and professionals involved in their cases. An experienced McKenzie Friend told this site that the practice was widespread and growing, as parents seek to record their meetings in order to highlight professional misconduct, and factual inaccuracies within reports produced after meetings.
Recording child protection meetings and communications is allowed, and while asking professionals for permission to do this is considered polite, it is not compulsory. Parents and family members involved in child welfare proceedings may record meetings and exchanges without telling professionals they are doing so.
Many thanks to the parents and lay advisers who spoke with us about this development.
I have repeatedly been told not allowed to record things. Even when do & used as evidence of illegal conduct by ‘professionals’ evidence ignored so whom does one go to???
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I would suggest your local MP.
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But if the Local MP is well in with that Council you can bet nothing will be done about it. they all defend each other when wrongdoing is flagged up in complaints.
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Law firms are meant to be there to fully represent their client. Look back to your earliest letter from the firm, where it should tell you that; alongside any specifications if their client suffers with emotional needs or mental health.
Seems like the Law firms and Council’s responsible appear to be working in cahoots, rather than being the supportive services they claim to be. E.g. as above, then children’s ‘social’ services. Questionable re: ‘social services”
We are often monitored for legal and training purposes (audio recorded) and I’ve had ones remind me I’m being recorded, so I’ve said that’s ok, I am recording too. Some have been fine with it, others haven’t been including terminating the call. I’ve just said sorry that’s a problem for you.
You can make a SARS Request for a copy of the transcript from the phone call too. I’ve been sent both written transcript and audio ones but that’s ‘when’ they send them, so it’s better to record if you can, yourself.
You could be refused your recording for Court, just transcribe the relevant part yourself pointing the Judge to where it is, offer to send in the relevant audio recording which I’ve had positive experience doing at Tribunal xx
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SARs usually come back heavily redacted with large blacked out areas.
if there are things they dont want you to know or see then it will be blacked out. they will then use the relevant get out clause to withhold that information and from that point the iCO will do nothing. the System really is rigged against the people.
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Yes I agree it is hit and miss. I’ve received more eradicated documents than not eradicated. It shouldn’t be about pot luck, anything stated about us should be left in there. It’s like tampering with evidence really when it’s redacted, not to mention biased.
If they really feel they have to eradicate any of it, we should at least be given an explanation for each part where they do eradicate information; through concern more has been eradicated than needed to be. Then this is where they’re hiding and potentially hiding criminal activity and malpractice xx
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i agree totallyTummum.
they should never need to redact a SAR but clearly they have a lot to hide when they do.
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There remains much that takes on the appearance of a ‘cloak and dagger’ operation when it comes to government departments. It would be difficult to find any other organisation that could get away with such duplicity – and still remain extant.
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Governments still get away with much that would shut-down most other organisations.
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And councils are unlawfully coercing parents into signing S20 agreements by threats of calling the Police if they dont sign. or using other threats like Contact being stopped etc.
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these “illegal” undertakings. i take it the police have been ordered to back off or lose their jobs and pensions.
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I have never been allowed to record ANYTHING ever. I was even forced to take my phone out of my bag and instructed to turn it off or they wouldn’t talk to me in a recent CLA review. Social services have stopped me taking notes as well as recording, and also stopped me having support in meetings. I am Autistic and feel very vulnerable… they intimidated me into signing paperwork I hadn’t even read. They are untrust-worthy and I would never have known what they are capable of until I read in forums such as this how often they trap parents. CPS is corrupt to the core.
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If they are playing that game of preventing you from recording meetings then you will have to box clever and by one of those relatively cheap recording devises on ebay. they come in all sorts of wonderful guises. a pair of reading glasses, a pen, a watch, and many others. you could even take two mobile phones with you. one to record with and the other to take out of your bag and show them its switched off.
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Well if YOU were telling lies and making false abusive allegations you wouldn’t want to be recorded either ,so try to understand the awkward position of these dedicated public servants !
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