Natasha I hear daily from some wonderful families who have lost their kids to the care system it is unbelievable, but I will say for many kids they do need help, but then again many parents who are naughty there are good family members who FREE OF CHARGE would look after the children but then the system would be out of pocket so it does not matter what Sir Munby or others say it will not happen, lets look at a recent case of a grandmother I am not allowed to name her, she fought tooth and nail for her grandchild for more then three years this grandchild use to live with the grandmother and was taken on allegations only she then spent thousands in the courts as grandparents cannot get legal aid she was acussed of every thing imaginable and if she was guilty then why was she not sentenced to a prison term, she was not allowed one paper relating to the court hearings out side of the lawyers office, she was gagged this is just one case of thousands and yet down the road she was allowed her grandchild back into her life to stay at the house, but it is not so much what the grandmother had to go through it was the grandchild who also for all of the years constantly telling all i love my grandmother I want my grandmother even to the fact of telling the court i want my nan still all fell on deaf ears until recently so how can any child or family have any rights, it is a shame that Munby and the rest of them do not listen from the ground level they only listen the big charities who are in the pockets of the governments, how can any one in governments know of the trauma when they have never experienced what is really happening, most come from Eaton or where ever, but then saying that i suppose many in governments had an au-pair to look after them, so again they will never have had the bonding so its sod the kids, let them scream to be heard,
Good news for once from “The Independent” of all places ! Yes Adoptions have fallen by 50% ,so that means “forced adoptions” have also fallen since most UK adoptions these days are forced on unwilling parents who love their children and who have committed no crimes !
Babies who are snatched at birth for “risk of emotional abuse” usually based on allegations and hearsay are now more likely to stay with their natural mothers ! Surely that must be good news? Gypsies are not bad at predicting the future using crystal balls, and tarot cards, but social workers and judges should desist from predicting the emotions of others !
Yes I agree that parents who commit crimes against children deserve to be punished and often should lose their children. But parents who are merely deemed “unsuitable” by politically correct loonies should keep their kids .After all the sort of parents who endure months of court cases fighting to keep their children must usually love those kids and should usually win in court but they nearly always lose because as L.J.Thorpe remarked “the courts are so prejudiced against parents” .Mr justice Mostyn also got it right when he remarked that if adoption without consent is “the gold standard” why have only 3 out of 27 EU countries adopted it ?
We are actually asked by the “Independent” to feel sorry for adoptive parents racked by uncertainty but I prefer to ask readers to feel sorry instead for the parents whose children the adopters are so intent on stealing !
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
Best interests of the child was also a Hitler/SS slogan which we still use today in many countries and most do not even realise the use of the identical energy signature.
In forced adoption the child of course suffers emotional abuse and the social workers etc all know this since 1952 when the consequences of seperating babies from mothers in human experiment in Australia came to light. http://adopteeidentityrites.com/resources/known-consequences-of-separating-mother-and-child/
Adoption was a social experiment in which babies born to unmarried mothers were taken at birth and given to strangers for adoption. It was claimed to be in the best interests of the child, who would be protected from the slur of illegitimacy and would have a better life in the adoptive family. Adoption enabled infertile married couples to have a family, and the State saved money on its welfare bill.
Adoption was promoted as being in the best interests of the child. Mothers were expected to forget about their child and get on with their lives, get married and have children of their own.
Adoption was seen as an instant ‘cure’ for infertility.
In 1952 a British psychiatrist, Wellisch, drew attention to a problem of adoption – the lack of knowledge of and definite relationship to one’s genealogy, which he termed genealogical bewilderment, and which could result in the stunting of emotional development in adopted children and could lead them to irrational rebellion against their adoptive parents and the world as a whole, and eventually to delinquency. This was echoed in 1955 by Winnicott, who said ignorance about their personal origin made adolescence more of a strain for adopted children than other children, and in 1964 by Sants who wrote that genealogical bewilderment is a factor which frequently appears to be present in adoption stress.
There were reports in 1953 that adopted children manifested severe pathology including a preponderance of impulsive behavior, with characteristic ‘acting out’, both sexual and aggressive. (Eiduson and Livermore, 1953). Overt aggression and sexual acting out were also noted by Schechter who claimed, in 1964, that there was substantial evidence from many sources that the nonrelative adopted child may be more prone to emotional difficulties. In adopted adults he found more alcoholism, sexual acting out, and more suicide attempts.None of these beliefs was based on any scientific evidence.”
Yes, successive governments for decades have failed the kids but nevermore so than when the system went into overdrive from Blair’s edicts! Successive governments have just run with his policies without looking for better alternatives. The number of Kids taken into care has almost doubled since 2007! 100,000 plus kids are now in care! That is a failure of epic proportions that rebounds on the children and their families for generations.
There are alternatives but it’s too easy to continue the way its always been for decades, even though it’s clear its not morally right. It doesn’t work for the kids, leaving them so much more vulnerable to abuses from those who are tasked with their care, as all the recent exposés have shown. The families are left broken. Grandparents who wish to look after their grandchildren when there is a crisis are dismissed by social workers without even knowing them (a biased interview is frankly not good enough!) The only ones who benefit (financially) are those who operate the care system not the service users!
The family courts are lazy too. Accepting unproven reports from social workers and so called experts who are driven by different goals than what is truly the best place for the child. How many orders other than Care and Adoption Orders were granted? Are any supervision orders given to parents or grandparents that were in opposition to what the social workers “recommended?”. Judges can recommend therapy but do they? Mumby can make recommendations that are ignored by the lower courts. He can do a few appeals and verbally rectify a few wrongs, after the damage is done in many cases. It all means nothing until there is a radical change to stop putting kids in care/ forced adoption and alternatives are used instead. Great strides are being made in other countries who have chosen alternative options and a few have been trialed here in the UK with good results so far. A child should only go into the care system when there is seriously no other option not just because that’s the only option offered! Forced adoption should never happen!
If this was anyone else, other than a Lord, would we be asking the question? Janner should most certainly stand trial! If he was able to vote in Parliament and receive wages, he is able to stand trial!
Natasha the more i read of the child care system it really sickens me because it all is with the social workers on whose word all is taken from the start then in comes the army of experts not only for the children but the mothers who are accussed of all, and the mothers are so afraid to lose their babies and children they do as they are told to do by the army of experts, what governments should know is that each council and kids lawyers all work with their own teams of experts as they say keep it in the family, and I know many parents have told the ss they want an independant expert of their own choice but then told it is not allowed then it is written that the families are not co-operating I wish I could stand in the house of Commons then they would know of the truth and the corruption and the billions being made, but sadly it will never happen unless i climb the roof of Buckingham Palace and shout it out. Social workers childrens lawyers and the court experts all need to be fired then the kids will have a voice and a new army to listen to them as for the judges well they are a law unto them selfs.
Adoption rates falling leaving children languishing in unsuitable homes. Ironic then that those same unsuitable homes are foster homes that 100,000 kids are lanquising in now!
Children were and are a commodity to make profit from. This is the case for thousands of years. Children were sold as slaves, tortured and abused for eons of time.
There is too much money to be made in the child fostering adoption business.
Follow the money and examine the profits involved.
I remember so well the words of a 17 year old leaving care.
“Care is the one place where you can legally abuse a child and get paid for it”
Did the MP’s listen to her that day? Of course not.
I have just been painfully reminded of the Wales Abuse Scandal and the Waterhouse Report, Natasha: https://nationalinquiry.wordpress.com/2015/05/13/deja-vu-the-wales-child-abuse-scandal-and-the-waterhouse-report/
With more sighs than hopes,
Sabine
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Natasha I hear daily from some wonderful families who have lost their kids to the care system it is unbelievable, but I will say for many kids they do need help, but then again many parents who are naughty there are good family members who FREE OF CHARGE would look after the children but then the system would be out of pocket so it does not matter what Sir Munby or others say it will not happen, lets look at a recent case of a grandmother I am not allowed to name her, she fought tooth and nail for her grandchild for more then three years this grandchild use to live with the grandmother and was taken on allegations only she then spent thousands in the courts as grandparents cannot get legal aid she was acussed of every thing imaginable and if she was guilty then why was she not sentenced to a prison term, she was not allowed one paper relating to the court hearings out side of the lawyers office, she was gagged this is just one case of thousands and yet down the road she was allowed her grandchild back into her life to stay at the house, but it is not so much what the grandmother had to go through it was the grandchild who also for all of the years constantly telling all i love my grandmother I want my grandmother even to the fact of telling the court i want my nan still all fell on deaf ears until recently so how can any child or family have any rights, it is a shame that Munby and the rest of them do not listen from the ground level they only listen the big charities who are in the pockets of the governments, how can any one in governments know of the trauma when they have never experienced what is really happening, most come from Eaton or where ever, but then saying that i suppose many in governments had an au-pair to look after them, so again they will never have had the bonding so its sod the kids, let them scream to be heard,
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If 80 do, then 570 don’t. Kindred spirits?
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Good news for once from “The Independent” of all places ! Yes Adoptions have fallen by 50% ,so that means “forced adoptions” have also fallen since most UK adoptions these days are forced on unwilling parents who love their children and who have committed no crimes !
Babies who are snatched at birth for “risk of emotional abuse” usually based on allegations and hearsay are now more likely to stay with their natural mothers ! Surely that must be good news? Gypsies are not bad at predicting the future using crystal balls, and tarot cards, but social workers and judges should desist from predicting the emotions of others !
Yes I agree that parents who commit crimes against children deserve to be punished and often should lose their children. But parents who are merely deemed “unsuitable” by politically correct loonies should keep their kids .After all the sort of parents who endure months of court cases fighting to keep their children must usually love those kids and should usually win in court but they nearly always lose because as L.J.Thorpe remarked “the courts are so prejudiced against parents” .Mr justice Mostyn also got it right when he remarked that if adoption without consent is “the gold standard” why have only 3 out of 27 EU countries adopted it ?
We are actually asked by the “Independent” to feel sorry for adoptive parents racked by uncertainty but I prefer to ask readers to feel sorry instead for the parents whose children the adopters are so intent on stealing !
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“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
Best interests of the child was also a Hitler/SS slogan which we still use today in many countries and most do not even realise the use of the identical energy signature.
In forced adoption the child of course suffers emotional abuse and the social workers etc all know this since 1952 when the consequences of seperating babies from mothers in human experiment in Australia came to light.
http://adopteeidentityrites.com/resources/known-consequences-of-separating-mother-and-child/
Adoption was a social experiment in which babies born to unmarried mothers were taken at birth and given to strangers for adoption. It was claimed to be in the best interests of the child, who would be protected from the slur of illegitimacy and would have a better life in the adoptive family. Adoption enabled infertile married couples to have a family, and the State saved money on its welfare bill.
Adoption was promoted as being in the best interests of the child. Mothers were expected to forget about their child and get on with their lives, get married and have children of their own.
Adoption was seen as an instant ‘cure’ for infertility.
In 1952 a British psychiatrist, Wellisch, drew attention to a problem of adoption – the lack of knowledge of and definite relationship to one’s genealogy, which he termed genealogical bewilderment, and which could result in the stunting of emotional development in adopted children and could lead them to irrational rebellion against their adoptive parents and the world as a whole, and eventually to delinquency. This was echoed in 1955 by Winnicott, who said ignorance about their personal origin made adolescence more of a strain for adopted children than other children, and in 1964 by Sants who wrote that genealogical bewilderment is a factor which frequently appears to be present in adoption stress.
There were reports in 1953 that adopted children manifested severe pathology including a preponderance of impulsive behavior, with characteristic ‘acting out’, both sexual and aggressive. (Eiduson and Livermore, 1953). Overt aggression and sexual acting out were also noted by Schechter who claimed, in 1964, that there was substantial evidence from many sources that the nonrelative adopted child may be more prone to emotional difficulties. In adopted adults he found more alcoholism, sexual acting out, and more suicide attempts.None of these beliefs was based on any scientific evidence.”
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Yes, successive governments for decades have failed the kids but nevermore so than when the system went into overdrive from Blair’s edicts! Successive governments have just run with his policies without looking for better alternatives. The number of Kids taken into care has almost doubled since 2007! 100,000 plus kids are now in care! That is a failure of epic proportions that rebounds on the children and their families for generations.
There are alternatives but it’s too easy to continue the way its always been for decades, even though it’s clear its not morally right. It doesn’t work for the kids, leaving them so much more vulnerable to abuses from those who are tasked with their care, as all the recent exposés have shown. The families are left broken. Grandparents who wish to look after their grandchildren when there is a crisis are dismissed by social workers without even knowing them (a biased interview is frankly not good enough!) The only ones who benefit (financially) are those who operate the care system not the service users!
The family courts are lazy too. Accepting unproven reports from social workers and so called experts who are driven by different goals than what is truly the best place for the child. How many orders other than Care and Adoption Orders were granted? Are any supervision orders given to parents or grandparents that were in opposition to what the social workers “recommended?”. Judges can recommend therapy but do they? Mumby can make recommendations that are ignored by the lower courts. He can do a few appeals and verbally rectify a few wrongs, after the damage is done in many cases. It all means nothing until there is a radical change to stop putting kids in care/ forced adoption and alternatives are used instead. Great strides are being made in other countries who have chosen alternative options and a few have been trialed here in the UK with good results so far. A child should only go into the care system when there is seriously no other option not just because that’s the only option offered! Forced adoption should never happen!
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If you want to destroy a civilisation, then destroy the family unit and the love bond.
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If this was anyone else, other than a Lord, would we be asking the question? Janner should most certainly stand trial! If he was able to vote in Parliament and receive wages, he is able to stand trial!
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Natasha the more i read of the child care system it really sickens me because it all is with the social workers on whose word all is taken from the start then in comes the army of experts not only for the children but the mothers who are accussed of all, and the mothers are so afraid to lose their babies and children they do as they are told to do by the army of experts, what governments should know is that each council and kids lawyers all work with their own teams of experts as they say keep it in the family, and I know many parents have told the ss they want an independant expert of their own choice but then told it is not allowed then it is written that the families are not co-operating I wish I could stand in the house of Commons then they would know of the truth and the corruption and the billions being made, but sadly it will never happen unless i climb the roof of Buckingham Palace and shout it out. Social workers childrens lawyers and the court experts all need to be fired then the kids will have a voice and a new army to listen to them as for the judges well they are a law unto them selfs.
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Adoption rates falling leaving children languishing in unsuitable homes. Ironic then that those same unsuitable homes are foster homes that 100,000 kids are lanquising in now!
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Children were and are a commodity to make profit from. This is the case for thousands of years. Children were sold as slaves, tortured and abused for eons of time.
There is too much money to be made in the child fostering adoption business.
Follow the money and examine the profits involved.
I remember so well the words of a 17 year old leaving care.
“Care is the one place where you can legally abuse a child and get paid for it”
Did the MP’s listen to her that day? Of course not.
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