As part of a new series, we are inviting families, and professionals inside the family justice system, to share their experiences with us. The series is called Real Live Interviews, as the majority of people we talk to are either going through the court process as the interview takes place or work inside the system on a daily basis.
Our first interview is with a mother who is being threatened with the removal of her children because the system does not believe their father is abusive, despite professional reports which indicate to the contrary.
All names have been changed to protect the identity of the families involved, unless stated otherwise.
1. Hello Sue. Why are you going through the family courts?
My ex partner wants to keep control of my life by applying for contact and/or residence of my daughter to act out his abuse, revenge and vengeance for me leaving him like he has done throughout his life. He has no interest in the child just the effect it is having and will have on my life and future.
2. Have you had any legal representation?
Up to the cuts I had legal representation but no one was willing to fight for me, they just went through the motions and threatened me with what would happen if I didn’t agree; forcing my hand.
3. What has it been like representing yourself?
Difficult with trying to understand the law and the terminology but I have been unable to attend court due to medical commitments so I have not had the experience of facing the courtroom alone which I don’t think I could mentally deal with after what I have faced in the court room.
4. Did you feel like you were properly informed throughout the process?
I was tricked into various things a few times with Cafcass and solicitors to end up agreeing to things I would never agree to. There were a lot of back handed tactics used between services benefiting my ex partner and hindering myself.
5. What things did you feel people failed to tell you?
The truth and reality, I got threatened with so many extreme consequences that seemed so far from common sense that I was terrified to fight for my daughter’s rights to not be harmed. It has and is still making me very ill and my life is in turmoil.
6. Did you feel listened to by anyone inside the process at any time?
Child services made you think they listened and then went back on what they said once they made reports etc. The courts have not listened and dismissed the risks my ex poses because regardless of everything fathers have the right to see their children no matter the damage they cause. My child would be irreparably damaged if my ex was to have contact with her.
7. Have people treated you nicely?
Definitely not, I have been the victim to DV, harassment, threats and live in torment from my ex partner. I have been the one treated like the criminal or abuser because I am strongly trying to protect my child from harm, they don’t want me to have a say or mind of my own they want to bully me until I cave in which they are still doing to this day.
8. Do you feel the court’s decisions in your case make sense?
Not at all, any one looking from an outside perspective would find it so alarming that they would not be able to understand why it has gone this far and my ex partner is seen to be no risk. Any parent would fight like myself and not allow their child near him but I am expected to because a judge has decided that.
9. What do you feel is wrong about the decisions that have been made and why?
Handing out an address to a man who has threatened to shoot you and your partner and burn down your house, kill you all etc is wrong, I have been receiving distressing harassment again. Next he will be at the door. Allowing contact with a father that has never shown any interest in the child only to abuse me on visits. Knowing that one day he will be able to have direct dealings with me again to continue the abuse and will do so through my child to hurt the closest thing to me.
My ex’s mental health should have been addressed throughout the process not brushed under the carpet and threatened me as their tactic to make contact happen. I always said who would it be to pick up the pieces when he does the damage or hurts my child – the only person who will be doing that is me as everyone will wash their hands of it.
10. Overall, do you trust the system?
No definitely not. You can not have an opinion being a mother who is fighting to protect their child or children. You have to agree against all your motherly instincts to put your child in imminent danger to satisfy out of touch judges who treat you like scum who persecute you in front of the person who has abused you for years in private and then through the system.
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Sounds like he knows someone in the system.
A father,a mother or other family members that maybe in the court system. To me the old boys club is alive and well and continues to help each other. I think if you want to be a judge you have to work in a different district and brake up the good o boys so you get a fair judgment.
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This is remarkably accurate in the vast majority of cases in the Family Courts. Especially the motivation of revenge. Several Fathers’ Rights groups even promoted such attitudes with a cartoon with the words, “Screw the Bitch” emblazoned on it.
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May I please opine. (i) For a change NOT the SS but by a vindictive ex partner.
(ii) The lawyers have been paid and do not want to be noticed snuffling too much from the trough at one time. (iii) NOT GOOD for her to ADMIT this. (iv) Very fair point (v) What help was I given to live up to THEIR expectations. (vi) NEVER (vii) NO. (viii) The Court did not listen to me. (ix) All the Court listened to was what was said by the abusive onetime partner against me. Nothing of his current and previous actions were taken into account. (x) NO. The system is CORRUPT. Everybody with the the social service AGENCY is there for the MONEY
Just my opinion.
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Pretty much de rigour it seems although I did have good judges but not that good when all parties except my own refused to understand my ex wife was paranoid schizophrenic, social services refused to even understand this despite in 2004 an interview by social services with ex wife showed she was freely hallucinating, having personality crisis and admitted to being violent towards myself and daughter but they refused to accept this.
She was diagnosed finally a couple of years ago with a severe personality disorder but social services refuse to apologise.
In the sixteen to seventeen years, from the moment I went to hospital social services and a London social services department for help, dealing with a woman who was alternating between periods of calm and extreme violence and then being told I was to blame, total lack of understanding towards male victim DV and just plain persecution by social workers for most of that time, its left us destroyed and when you go through it again for your grandson, to be told off the record I was doing it better than most parents did but on record I was the worst parent since Lizzie Borden’s father, it was the final blow to my physical and mental health.
Once upon a time I thought social services a necessary evil of our changing times, now I just think of them as evil, psycho social, pseudo science, incompetent, amateur, mentally ill, criminal or just plain nasty for the sake of being nasty and I do feel for the real workers who try and do a job against the merciless politics, hidden agendas and strange personality traits found in virtually ever office.
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Oh dear. That assertion was so fashionable, so ‘new’ and so false 20 years ago that I’m very surprised it is still doing the rounds. And once again I have to strongly disagree with one Commentor who seems to think this is trypical of all fathers. Do any of us claim that all mothers are monsters, depriving their ex-husband from seeing their child ? No, of course not. So let’s get our feet firmly back on the ground, please.
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IMPORTANT POINTS FOLLOWING THE MUNBY JUDGEMENT ! This must surely influence all future cases not just that of the Italian lady with the forced Caesarean and new baby in line for forced adoption.
1:- L.J Munby states that journalists cannot be totally blamed for innacurate reporting if the facts are not made public in the first place.
2:-Booker was criticised for saying the mother was sectioned following a panic attack because it implied that was the only thing wrong with her .The reporting was accurate the implcations were not ,but were only conclusions drawn by others.
3:- Munby himself remarked that no appeals had been made against any of the judgements .This implied that the mother was satisfied with them when in fact the delay is because legal aid has still not been made available.This shows that no person reporting accurate facts should be blamed if others draw erroneous implicatons from them.
4:-Essex Council made a statement on this case which was not only innaccurate but more importantly PROVES BY THEIR SO DOING THAT SOCIAL SERVICES CAN COMMENT ON INDIVIDUAL CASES BUT JUST CHOOSE NOT TO !!
5:-Essex Council stated that the Italian courts agreed that the child should remain in uk.This is manifestly false as the court in Florence referred the matter to the high court in Rome which concluded that the child should be returned to Italy.
6:- The statement by EssexCouncil and also the Mostyn judgement both ignored the fact that the hospital doctors and their psychiatrist recommended that mother and baby should not be separated.This gave the false impression that all concerned were agreed on the interim care order and subsequent placement for adoption.
7:-The Munby judgement merely forbade any one from publishing the names of the mother and child (though permitting her maiden name) or information such as addresses that could lead to their identification.No newspapers had expressed any intentions of doing this in any case.
8:-L.J.Munby thoroughly endorses the campaigners for reforms of the family courts and the court of protection in para 45 of his judgement as follows:-
. “This case must surely stand as final, stark and irrefutable demonstration of the pressing need for radical changes in the way in which both the family courts and the Court of Protection approach what for shorthand I will refer to as transparency. We simply cannot go on as hitherto. Many more judgments must be published. And, as this case so very clearly demonstrates, that applies not merely to the judgments of |High Court Judges; it applies also to the judgments of Circuit Judges”
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The interview is from one side of the argument, so we do not know the ex-partners story. She claims abuse without giving examples, but there are many cases where the abuse is mutual and, what if she is the one who is actually abusive?
From my encounters with the family justice system, they usually show no favours towards fathers hence about 90% of custodies go to the mother.
As for the comments about professional reports, one of the most common complaints I have heard about social workers is that they lack experience about family matters and yet are regarded as professionals. Being a professional does not make you impartial or even competent.
There are a wealth of women’s support groups available. The men’s support groups are poorly funded and patchy at the best.
I’m sceptical about the authenticity of the claims made in this interview. DV, harrassment, threats? What, and the police not interested? That’s not the police I know. They arrest a guy with no proof and even if he is the obvious victim.
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Hi James,
Thanks for your post. An interview by implication is always going to be one sided. I happen to be assisting this lady and have seen various documents.
I agree with you about the system as a whole not being pro or anti one parent or another – that bias exists but not as a blanket generalisation. It really depends who you get. Added to which, the system runs on a popularity contest style approach – because it’s quick and easy. So very little care goes into genuinely trying to work out where the truth lies.
It’s very tempting, if you bang the same drum hard enough and for long enough, to assume everything you read is about blanket generalisations. But if you look closer, this woman’s experience is not just about gender – it’s about something far more profound. I shall leave you to spot it.
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Butler-Sloss’ speech in the House on DEC 17th is disturbing. She is of the opinion that judges in lower courts will ‘get it right’ and by implication get it right every time, in custody and adoption hearings.
This new C&F bill looks like it will be worse than the 1989 Act. Some time ago I estimated that 10% of C&F bill’s time had been devoted to private law issues. Today, I estimate it will be nearer 5% when the subject of private law is not measured in hundreds or a few thousands, as is public law, but hundreds of thousands. “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose” ?
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Butler-Sloss. Spouting the same dross. I have a letter from this lady. Did she attend a meeting a few years ago at a meeting chaired by Mr. John Hemming MP in the HoC. So sitting by a dungheap and scratching my boils with a potshard, YES, my wife had asked me to forget the cruelty that has been done to me as a Greatgrandfather. I KNOW now the ULTIMATE SECRET of those in POWER. With EACH. person who I have written to from PMs, Secretaries of State, Ministers of Education, Lords, High Court Judges and Presidents of the Family Division.. Local Magistrates, Local Mayor and Councillors. Not forgetting the Complaint Procedures within the Council.
Oh yes. Each replied but when CONFRONTED by ABSOLUTE TRUTH as to their FALSE assumptions they IMMEDIATELY ABNEGATED their responsibility and chose SILENCE. Here is the last paragraph from the many letters that have been written to me by persons in POWER. ANY FURTHER LETTERS YOU SEND TO THIS OFFICE ON THIS MATTER WILL NOT BE RESPONDED TO. Out of SHAME because of MY DECENCY I will not name this person. It is a reply from the Royal Courts of JUSTICE ?. REMEMBER the SECRET of EVIL.
SILENCE.
WHO from the vile Council will EVER CONFRONT me.(I do not name that Council because of respect to R&R)
R&R may delete this entire post at their discretion.
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At the end of the day,
1/ It just proves that the family court system needs to be open and accountable.
2/ That all judgements should be published.
And why does this scare people who work within the system especially social workers.
Because it could lead to the next step of allowing others to review the details of each case.
You can tick a thousand boxes, patch up a non-working model but the facts remain.
The system does not prosecute the people especially social workers for given false evidence in a family court.
It fails to prosecute anyone supplying a false witness statement to the family court.
It fails to put witnesses under oath when making serious allegations, fails to investigate them and fails to prosecute those who continue who force Judges to make bad decisions on the lives of so many children.
This is not child protection, it is child abuse on mass.
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PROSECUTOR TO GO TO JAIL AFTER WRONGFUL CONVICTION – WITHHOLDING OF EVIDENCE
Similar accountability is needed in the Family Law Courts when fabricated, embellished, and distorted evidence is submitted by social workers and other evidence is withheld.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-godsey/for-the-first-time-ever-a_b_4221000.html
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I agree with you about the courts being open and publishing their judgements, but even if they do, will it make any difference? Too few people seem to care.
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Ragnvald, and in a family court a entire innocent family is sentenced to life, not just the parents/parent, but the child, the extended family and the children remaining.
All of them will have suffered a huge loss resulting in lifelong emotional trauma and ptsd.
But the punishment without crime does not stop there, for once the family name is tarnished, every family member continues to be at risk of wrongful futher intervention of a social services department based on the false history and judgement of one case.
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Why is it that the Family Courts, CAFCASS workers, Court Consultants and lawyers don’t know that this is happening?. And of course the inherent abuse of children who watch or hear or are otherwise aware of these incidents?. Or do they also put telescopes to their blind eyes?.
Violence against Women at Epidemic Proportions – World Health Organisation and Lancet
Three in ten women worldwide have been punched, shoved, dragged, threatened with weapons, raped, or subjected to other violence from a current or former partner. Close to one in ten have been sexually assaulted by someone other than a partner. Of women who are murdered, more than one in three were killed by an intimate partner.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=violence-against-women-at-epidemic-proportions
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This so called Great Britain and their so called courts for justice ALLOWED a fraudster to steal £400k plus from me with the judge in the high court ruling Leslie Lesser to pay me £1,200 within 3 months or go to prison for 7 days well i no need to write any more because nothing happened so much for Justice. So the whole point is if adults cannot get justice what chance has the children and families of the UK got NONE WHAT SO EVER, let us go back hundreds of years 16th centry the British kids were sold lets move to Mr Barnard in 1836 (not sure if it is 6/7)he sold our kids for £15 each to Canada Australia, lets move to the WW2 kids again taken on lies and sold and sent all over the world and country, now here is what is very interesting after the war after the kids had been sold dear old Blighty said we have a shortage of children what does the dear old British Government do but to give parents CHILD BENIFIT TO START THE PRODUCTION OF CHILLDREN, shame people do not put 2/2 together so here we are in the 21st Centry with the EU as one and do remember Mr Hitler wanted all of the EU countrys to be under the rule of Germany, he lost the war or was he the front man for the war in Germany, and so after the war dear old Blighty made all countrys as one yes the EU and now in comes more kids for sale because there is no justice in the British Courts and speaking of the WW2 remember the scientists and Doctors who during the war had been expermenting on thousands of people and children then after the war they went missing and again after the war the dear old Blighty set up a free National Health Service the only country in the world to do so well of course to continue the experiments on the population, and I know that from exposing the Hormone Replacment Therapy drugs, so now all in place from Mr Hitlers days we have the EU the National Health the stolen children and now wanting to privatise the National health. It is time for people of the world to wake up to know of
the corruption of this rotten Great Britain, and if you disagree with what i have written do your own research and learn we the people have NO DOORS TO OPEN for justice and god help the poor little children the bloody world is ruled by sex and money by them so called good guys in power who are the scum of the earth, no sue me. And before I forget what about the millions of pounds in the elderly peoples homes, yes the social workers send elderly into a care home and an order is put on their home untill the person in care is dead then the home gets sold to pay the care home, and again in stepd SILVERLINE a free help line for the elderly boy what a fiddle to now rule the elderly to get their homes and money no one is safe in this DEAR OLD so called BLIGHTY
MAGGIE TUTTLE
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Everything you state is fact. And a huge list of injustices too long to write. One of the most sickening was live, yes, live children having body parts removed for the better off and quickly hushed up.
If it can be traced and not removed from any public domain, it happened and was reported on by the press about 20 years ago.
This country is in such a corrupt stage that no-one of any working class or even lower middle class could possibly trust any authority.
Why, because there is no voice to the injustices. And no route to complain where any complaints would reach a level of something being done about it.
Hence for every person in a position to bring openess and justice is highly thought of and their acts of bravery never forgotton.
Yes a true insult to the British who fought for freedom
As for the rich, which includes a high number of politicians calling the unemployed Neets and laughing at the poorest going to food banks I shall add this.
It was the run down of many great industrys that created the unemployments and large companies choosing to have their goods maunufactured overseas. because they could get cheaper labour including child labour abroad.
Then the politicians in all their lack of wisdom brought in H and S regulations that meant college courts for even a kitchen porter.
Then in a nother flurry of lack of wisdom they brought in foreign cheaper labour and allowed thousands of illegal immigrants to take the jobs of all those already living in the UK and struggling to survive.
And to add insult to injury they then take their kids and demand they attend college and re-train even though many of these people do no have the level of IQ to cope with college or and if not cannot spare the extra cash needed to fund the books or equpitment needed to attend one and often the travel expenses either, especially if having to feed their children.
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It is quite wrong for any foreign citizens to have their babies snatched in the way that has become quite frequent now in the uk.They should always be free to return to their own countries with their babies and other children if they so wish.
How can this be wrong?
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So I think that the British working classes, legal foreign workers and immigrants already in UK and now British, well understand the Africans who suffered apatheid and slavery. We all have something in common and that is to be undermined by abuse by abuse of power, greed and dishonesty.
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I agree with all the above posts. Talking of Childrens social service. What if the SS workers were compelled to give the parents an exact copy of their reports in writing, all statements to parents recorded. If that happened there would be mass resignations within the SS + Sick Service. The parents would go into Court and disprove the lies.
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You are so right there Phil. As about time the parent gets these reports they dont get time to disprove them. Most paperwork is withheld until the parents applies under their rights Data Protection and even then you dont get important ones until after the LAs have done the damage and the children gone and often for adoptions.
But in a recent ongoing case, the social worker is telling lies and making false allegations at a rate of more than 5 in 1 day.
Where they get away with it even more is sometimes these lies are said in person or by phone and it does not appear untill later
Chinese whispers also are common. And I would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to whats said behind closed doors when the social workers try and usually do get other professionals make inaccurate and untrue statements based on the social workers false but worrying lies.
The other weapon is to get doctors to change a statement, strangly accepted by a court that will turn the case more in the social workers bad profile on the innocent parent.
As one social worker proudly declared , only the cunning win
But I and a growing number of damaged families say.
The corruption needs to end
Another weapon is witholding important information from the courts, which amounts to conspiracy, forcing an innocent parent to be on police bail even though allegations have been proven false and just long enough to keep the child away from the parent and up for adoption.
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But the other problem Phil is whether a Judge will take notice, all the time a social worker gets away without prosecution for lying in the face of the court and even under oath there will always be social workers prepared to take the risk for promotion.
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There are also many cases where a social worker states something appalling as fact, tells everyone else but the parents.
It is never brought up in the court case or forms any known part of the case. Then many years later the parent or child (now older) discovers the appalling comment on a medical file, put there by a foster carer, relayed from the social worker and then on to a doctor who notes it on the childs file as a fact.
Shocking but another that can be proved. Though too late to save the children from care as the parent knew nothing of it and therefore could not disprove it during the proceedings.
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I think what is even more interesting by way of a development is that we now have high profile figures like Nigella Lawson, who have experienced the family courts and have been treated so badly by it that they are also now actively speaking out. It is also, to my mind, an indicator that the system is getting worse, not better. For all the promised changes, we have yet to see some benefits on the ground. Or, it may be that the changes still have not yet had time to seep in and make a difference. Time will tell, of course.
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Yes, and it starts the same way with someone being nasty and stating something that is often untrue and next thing your live is turned upside down.
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So here we are stating that many SS workers are blatant liars to the COURT. That makes them PERJURERS. My Christmas wish is that the Childrens SS become again what it was originally intended to be a SOCIAL SERVICE. If.only we could find a champion from outside Parliament to take up and show what is happening within the SS=Sick Service. Mr. John Hemming MP is our champion within Parliament, I thank him for all the work he has done there.
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Contempt of court if lie by statement or word according to the MOJ. Perjury when under oath.
But neither the MOJ or Department of Education (with whom the MOJ says has responsiblity) will answer the question about the subject of social workers and their obvious immunity to prosecution.
Cases have been presented to the police who have also stated they cannot arrest social workers.
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Contempt of court and perjury – its more than just social workers and their immunity from prosecution.
Look at the statistics before and after the alteration – hardly a change ! !
Now look at the divorce and custody figures (100,000 each), and wonder why there are so few contempt of court and perjury cases listed when there should be at least 10% (in the hundreds at most and covering all types of crimes, so ill-defined are they by the HO, and probably now the MoJ).
The family courts ‘invite’ perjury and lies by statement and/or word resulting in an injustice, i.e. contempt of court. They cannot function without it – but, Mr. Munby, I am willing to be proved wrong.
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I note that it is not only the PM Cameron rooting for team Nigella but MP Anna Soubry too. The families going through family court unfortunately do not have people in high places rooting for them. You would think now that Cameron has known of 2 people that have experienced family court he would demand a proper investigation and make changes so families are not destroyed. The ladys name escapes me but she was one of his A team. She used to sit on adoption panels believing the drivel spewed out by social workers until she found she was on the receiving end of social workers attention. After spending £10,000 defending herself I believe the case was dropped! I understand she now campaign’s for changes.
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Yes, and there’s the case of the social workers too who were outraged by the way they were treated when their family unit was assessed by social workers – they’re all on the blog…
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Yes Natasha, I remember they had the advantage of knowing how the System works! I also remember the Barrister who fled the country again having the advantage of knowing how corrupt the System is and knew she wouldn’t stand a chance of keeping her children. I’m sure there are more that go unreported but they would be the exeception rather than the rule, most who are burned, go in blindly and it’s too late to get effective help. Cameron has had enough letters from anguished parents and grandparents not to realise that something is very wrong. He has had 2 people close to him, that we know of, scorched but not fully burned by the family court. He has also been vilified for leaving his own child in a pub by the public but as he is the PM social services would have kept at arms length! Cameron has ignored the plight of hundred of thousands of parents and grandparents yet he is supposed to stand for family and family values. Its about time he looks into what is really going on!
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Hi Dana, I don’t think that’s what happened…. they found themselves reacting exactly the same way as a ‘normal’ family. Which I thought was very interesting in and of itself.
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Dana Raymond, the wronged lady’s name is Lucy Allan (I’m not disclosing any secret info, it’s all over the web). Yes, she now runs for Telford and campaigns for, among other things, change in the child protection system.
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Thank you, I looked on her website and sure enough this lady is now trying to highlight the injustices in the family care system. This also highlights how it is not until people are burnt that they try and put out the fire! The injustices pass over their heads unless they become involved. More and more people from all different walks of life are seeing that it is not just the Wayne and Waynettas that social services are removing children from but anyone they can build a story on, as Lucy found to her cost!
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David Cameron’s pre Tory team with ex Leader of party where behind the father’s groups wanting to open courts and bring in shared parenting. What happened next having got them to campaign against Labour (who in the main failed to sign the petition) was that Cameron took over and the PM job.
In effect the nowTory leadership let down the activists in the father’s rights groups and did not deal with the petitition to bring in the opening of family courts or shared parenting.
Not only that David Cameron in spite of having had a disabled son (of which he had huge assistence) let down the disabled by bringing cuts to the service and allowances
All in all the Tory party have gone back on their word to end corruption, bring in shared parenting and assist the vulnable.
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Nigella. if you ever read this. I hope you you have the power and stamina but be wary of the sharks.
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It’s Christmas Eve and online adoption has just been introduced! You will now be able to browse what child you want from the 6,000 children social services have earmarked for forced adoption! Internet shopping for kids! Literally! Every marketing trick will be used to entice anyone and everyone to adopt. In a decade or so we will no doubt hear of the tragic stories of these children’s lives that will also be on the internet.
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Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and Hope for the New Year that all the hard work of so many brings a happier and more successful 2014.
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Merry Christmas to you.
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A one page pamphlet covering all points .I WISH A BEARABLE XMAS TO ALL THOSE PARENTS WHOSE CHILDREN ARE IN FOSTERCARE OR WHO HAVE BEEN FORCIBLY ADOPTED
STOP PUNISHMENT WITHOUT CRIME
Every year thousands of parents who have committed no crimes are ruthlessly punished when they have their children removed for long term fostering or forced adoption by strangers. Are there any other cases in our British legal system where ordinary law abiding people are punished without having committed any crime? We don’t know of any ! Parents who have committed no crimes are forbidden by judges in secret family courts to contact their own children. One mother was then jailed for 3 years for speaking to her daughter,and a father jailed for a month for waving at his children in the street! !
STOP GAGGING PARENTS !
Those who feel they have been unfairly treated by a family court should be free to protest to the media using their own names.!Babies are taken at birth for “risk of emotional abuse”and their mothers are threatened with jail for breach of the privacy of their children if they protest in public .Children in care have laptops and mobiles confiscated to isolate them from family and friends . When parents are allowed visits, talks are censored and no discussion allowed about the case, returning home,or any abuse by fosterers/social workers ,otherwise contact stops at once.
ABOLISH FORCED ADOPTION !
“Forced Adoption” =The adoption of babies against the will of the parents.They are never told where their children are or even if they are alive or dead.Parents who trace their children are often jailed if they speak,email,phone ,or send an Xmas card.Parents who have committed no crimes are thus punished for the rest of their lives and many no longer wish to live at all !The sad fact is that social workers snatch babies at birth for “forced adoption” by strangers.They say they do this to “protect” them from the “risk of emotional abuse” from hundreds of mothers who have not committed any crime !.Worse still, those mothers are forbidden to go to the media to protest and threatened with jail if they do ! All subsequent court proceedings leading to “forced adoption” are secret with jail for any family members telling the public,names of parents or children,what was said in court,or revealing court documents.
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http://www.redding.com/news/2013/dec/24/santa-arrives-in-time-for-families-on-the-adopt/
When love and care can save broken and hurt familes and unite communties AND give you children to love. Better than stealing a child to play Santa to yourself.
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Merry Christmas Natasha and to all you lovely people fighting the draconian family system. I wish joy and happiness for all those who have been hurt by that system and hope for better things in the future.
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Merry Christmas, and I hope 2014 is a great year for all.
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The SS always choose Christmas eve as their favourite day in the year for snatching children ! I received 4 calls for help yesterday ,including the one below from a distraught mother.
Merry Xmas to one and all
ian
Dear Ian,
Merry Christmas and seasonal greetings to you and your family.
My children were taken this evening by 11 police officers (9 with tazers) and 2 social workers. The warrant and the orders were stamped but not signed.
My apologies for disturbing you and your family at this time of year. I would appreciate your assistance in this matter as your site does not have the year of the children’s act. My fault I should have researched deeper but didn’t have the time as the time came sooner than I expected.
I will forward more information once I have received a response from you.
Wishing you a prosperous new year.
Kind regards
A.R
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This is getting common practice, where the police are called in by social services AND given false allegations for the police to go in heavy handed and with police and often dogs, scaring the life out of children and innocent parents.
Something is very sinister about it all. and I believe its corrupt social workers KNOWING its a set up by them and a need to protect themselves.
When I became active 16 years ago and started to prove a case against a social worker I had many mystery phone calls, the caller would always hang up. It was always a witheld number.
I received one phone call from a distraught councillor saying he could not get involved as there were dark shadows and ‘hung up’.
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HOW MANY JUDGES/ LAWYERS ARE MENTALLY ILL?.
This looks very worrying and perhaps a cause for a separate thread. The percentage of those with a mental illness on entering the profession shows it isn’t work pressures and is astronomically high when compared to the general population. Obviously a need for far more research.
Full Day Hansard Transcript (Legislative Council, 21 June 2011, Proof)
Extract from NSW Legislative Council Hansard and Papers Tuesday, 21 June 2011 (Proof).
CONDUCT OF MAGISTRATE BRIAN MALONEY
MAGISTRATE MALONEY: Mr President, honourable members, today I stand before you to be judged both as a man and as one who holds judicial office. You are a jury of my peers. I have been diagnosed with bipolar II; an illness I did not chose to have but one I acquired. The reasons for this illness are irrelevant. I unconditionally accept the diagnosis and take up the challenge to conquer it. I am not alone. Many community leaders, politicians, high-profile personalities and legal practitioners have also been diagnosed with bipolar II. Like me, John Brogden, Andrew Robb and Geoff Gallop face the personal, medical and social challenges of mental illness, and have been prepared to speak out about it. Interestingly, research has found that 40 per cent of law students,
20 per cent of barristers and 33 per cent of solicitors have a mental illness. It is from that demographic that a judicial officer is drawn. In the past 12 months three barristers have sadly taken their own lives. In recent years, two judges have also sadly taken their own lives. The Bar Association, the Law Society, the medical profession and many other professional institutions have schemes in place to assist members with mental illness.
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Those are interesting statistics. I wonder whether they came to practice with those conditions or acquired them after?
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This part of Magistrate Maloney’s submission to Parliament may also have some relevance for the case of the Italian mother whose baby was removed by caesarean section.
“The scourge of mental illness affects many within our society. It just does not affect judicial officers but also medical practitioners, lawyers, teachers, dentists and politicians. Mental illness is often organically based. Members, I urge you in the only plea I make of you today to understand that at the end of the day no-one chooses to be mentally ill. One of the most eminent members of the medical profession, Professor Ian Hickie of the Black Dog Institute, made this point in the context
of mental health and the judiciary:
Judges are in the public profile in an unusual way but to really make progress we really need to say, its okay to get treatment and to continue in the role … the current stigma encourages judges to not get treatment and continue in the job regardless, which is actually worse.
It is important for you to understand that the Conduct Division referred to the view of Dr Nielssen, Dr O’Dea and Dr Phillips that I was currently fit to discharge my judicial duties. At paragraph 363, Dr Nielssen says:
I would add in addition to that, that bipolar disorder, particularly bipolar II or the less severe bipolar disorder that Magistrate Maloney has been diagnosed with, is probably one of the most treatable psychiatric conditions. It’s very treatable and very responsive to treatment and there are many treatment options available for people that will, I guess, give a much greater potential for relapses to be few, far
between and minor. The other thing that I would add is that often people who are bipolar and who have frequent relapses are people with other, as we call it, co-morbid conditions, particularly drug and alcohol problems, unemployment.
At paragraph 364, Dr Phillips stated:
The science literature strongly suggests that the moment a proper treatment plan is put in place, the risk of future illness diminishes in its frequency and even when an illness develops, in terms of illness intensity … once treatment is initiated and once there is compliance, generally people with a bipolar disorder do very well, much better than the treatment of people with various other psychiatric disorders.
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Natasha – I would suggest that is one of the questions which further research studies may wish to address. The high incidence among law students would suggest that they have a mental illness on entry to the profession.
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http://poundpuplegacy.org/
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The information above is worrisome. If decisions are made by Judges, what is the personal basis from where that comes from, the benchmark may be different from someone who does not have a mental illness. Who monitors the Judges?
Also while there may be support available, does that support come before or after a crisis?
Decisions taken by Judges including the one in the Daily Mail yesterday that said just call me Santa Claus are somewhat suspect on the face of it.
If having a mental illness made you more compassionate in judgements that may not be a bad thing but I see that in criminal court those that are found guilty are let off lightly, probably because the prisons are full, but those in family court protest their innocence and have their children removed on the balance of probabilities!
So what is the criteria used to be able to make a decision on the balance of probabilities when each person would have their own and different opinion? Would having a mental illness skew how you process the information given or would you rely on other professionals involved and therefore let the general consensus rule. The tail wagging the dog as the judge would be fearful of making a mistake!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10390183/Girl-smuggled-into-Britain-to-have-her-organs-harvested.html
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I am totally against adoption from the care system for many reasons but ever since I watched a documentary on the organ harvesting in China my belief solidified that Adoptions could be used to traffick children for all different purposes including organ harvesting. This report confirms my view. If our government pushes adoption, as it is intent on doing, then they are tacitly agreeing with what happens to the child. They seem to divorce themselves from the reality of adoption in that they have no idea what happens after a child is adopted!
The picture they paint is that they make assessments and clear people for adoption and that its very through and they have not experienced any problems and everybody lives happily ever after! The reality is very different with 1 in 3 adoption breakdowns, children abused within the home or trafficked out to be abused or murdered. There are, I’m sure “successful” adoptions from the veiwpoint of social services but since they don’t know as there is no proper research, how can they be sure the child is well and safe? What is known is family is the better option and families should be supported.
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Yes, the only way is to support birth families. The bond is set and even the worst of parents would spend sleepless nights worrying about their kids. Which is about the limit of a foster carer or adopted famly, At the end of the day, the pain of losing a non blood relative is nothing compared to your blood.being lost.
Ask anyone who has sat and watched a relative die in A and E.
I have done both and though painful to watch a non blood die it is far worse to watch a blood one die.
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http://www.unseenuk.org/
To believe corruption is not here in the UK is to be blind.
To believe social workers are not fabricating stories is to be blind
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2396560/How-Britains-nail-bars-propped-victims-human-trafficking-forced-work-slave-wages.html
Child trafficking is big buisness and , it creeps into all countries, just as the paedo swoops uncovered police, judges, child protection officers, social workers and politicians in the rings.
People in positions of power that could influence or decide on the removal of children in family courts from vulnable families.
Whether for forced adoptions or to be lost in the care system. Money does change hands.
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http://www.barnardos.org.uk/what_we_do/sexual_exploitation_campaign.htm
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Honest family solicitors can be easily fooled into believing a bad socialworker as bad ones are adept at it.
They will handpick vulnable parents making false allegations, play on a previous bad relationship of either parent, play on the fact the parent had been in care system, on the poorer scale of living, not be over bright or have a illness.
The social worker will fabricate a case convincing other professionals
Child trafficking is a crime and so should perjury and contempt of court by a social worker or any other professional especially in a family court where lives are so easily destroyed.
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http://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/what-we-do/policy-and-lobbying/parliamentary-work/appg-inquiry-children-who-go-missing-or-run-away
Protect children, work with the birth families.
STOP forced adoptions
STOP child trafficking.
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Sonforjustice2. I’m with you totally!
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Dear s4j2. Please know that I do not agree with the first paragraph of your post. To the best of my knowledge AND from the posts of so many people on R&R and other sites. THE JUDICIARY(lawyers et al) KNEW of what was being done to a Vulnerable Family. CONSIDER this. In EVERY CASE the closed circle of the vast experience of the SS is unleashed upon a naive Family. I would love to know the Statistic of a Family who ever won their case at the first attempt. Even the WARMONGER(we WILL find weapons of mass destruction) acknowledged that the Legal GRAVY TRAIN needed CURBING. This is only my opinion as you are entitled to yours.
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Hi Phil, I do believe you are right and I do see it as a gravy train and it does amount to child trafficking.
I also believe that honesty amongst anyone from social workers to solicitors is rare.
In fact in this area family solicitors are linked to LA with many earning money from the LAs and working directly for them in taking children.
FOI uncovers the names in every area.
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S4J2 – whilst financial gain does have a part in this, I think the primary motives are the ability to exercise power and control over the lives of others and with some it is a form of sadistic schadenfreude which acts as an immense aphrodisiac for those who cannot experience such feelings by any other means. Controlling the lives of others is easy for them, especially when children become only names on pieces of paper. It completely dehumanises the entire process for them.
The CPS process is mainly about roomsful of people making decisions about the future lives of names on pieces of paper – they don’t know the person, they don’t know their wishes, views, or feelings. And what is most concerning, they don’t want to know.
That is the main reason why children aren’t allowed into Court rooms or CPS meetings – those present may actually have to face the person whose life they are determining and condemning.
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https://www.bpas.org/bpashealthcare.php
http://www.baaf.org.uk/journal
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=social+worker+committed+perjury
What does the above and earlier posts have in common
Barren woman – fertile woman – money – child trafficking
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There is more to the above then you first thought.
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The person interview here is experiencing nearly exactly the same as us and for the same reasons. My heart goes out to you.
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The same thing is happening to me and my kids my daughter has been abused by dad and because she has spoken out about it and told her counsellor they are trying to separate my daughter from me and her siblings my daughter is 7 and was separated from me and her siblings before sent to the Republic of Ireland didn’t see us for a whole year and now they’re abusing her and my children again
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